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Comment author: mwengler 10 July 2012 02:16:39PM 1 point [-]

"Objective" means "mind-independent" so if you're looking at someone's mind to determine those values they're, by definition, subjective.

Not quite, I don't think. If you are looking at different well-functioning well-informed minds to get the truth value of a statement, and you get different results from different minds, then the statement is subjective. If you can "prove" that all well-functioining well-informed minds would give you the same result, then you have "proved" that the statement is objective.

In principle I could look at the mind of a good physicist to determine whether electrons repel each other, and the fact that my method for making the determination was to look at someone's mind would not be enough to change the statement "electrons repel each other" into a subjective statement.

Comment author: Jack 10 July 2012 02:21:55PM 1 point [-]

It's not about the method of discovery but truth-making features. You could look at the mind of a good physicist to determine whether electrons repel each other but that's not what makes "electrons repel each others" true. In contrast, what makes a moral judgment true according to subjectivism is the attitudes of the person who makes the moral judgment.