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OrphanWilde comments on In Defense of Tone Arguments - Less Wrong Discussion

24 Post author: OrphanWilde 19 July 2012 07:48PM

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Comment author: OrphanWilde 20 July 2012 01:54:14PM *  1 point [-]

[Edit: I have retracted the strong claim, incidentally.]

"Quiet and scholarly"? It compares a religious upbringing to sexual abuse - and finds sexual abuse too mild to compare.

Public derision should not be your first resort, however. It has a bad tendency to backfire, and depends pretty heavily on a public agreeing with you to begin with.

Comment author: David_Gerard 20 July 2012 03:33:11PM 2 points [-]

Your last paragraph is true, but somewhat vacuous in context: no-one's particularly disputing that diplomacy is a useful persuasive tool. Your article comes across as elevating tone considerations above all else when the aim is effectiveness, and I think that you simply haven't substantiated that.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 20 July 2012 06:08:07PM 0 points [-]
  • Your article comes across as elevating tone considerations above all else when the aim is effectiveness

The summary sentence of the article: "The categorical assessment of "Responding to Tone" as either a logical fallacy or a poor argument is incorrect, as it starts from an unfounded assumption that the purpose of a tone response is, in fact, to refute the argument."

Comment author: David_Gerard 20 July 2012 08:13:00PM 0 points [-]

Hence "comes across as".

Comment author: OrphanWilde 20 July 2012 08:18:53PM -2 points [-]

You were, in another comment, talking about insubstantiable claims? I believe in a manner that suggested they were a bad sort of thing to be making?