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31 Post author: malo 25 July 2012 07:28PM

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Comment author: AndrewH 26 July 2012 07:57:31PM 6 points [-]

To be honest, as a long term supporter of SIAI, this sort of social experimentation seems like a serious political blunder. I personally have no problem with finding new (or not part of current western culture) techniques of... social interactions... if you believe it will make yourself and others 'better' for some definition of better.

But if you are serious in actually getting the world behind the movement, this is Bad. "Why should I believe you when you seem to be amoral?". I have more arguments on this matter but they are easy to generate anyway.

Another thought: one way to think of it might be that to achieve your goals personal sacrifice is necessary and applauded: 'I'm too busy saving the world to have a girlfriend.'. Perhaps there are better examples than that. Maybe it's time to get rid of couches?

Comment author: fubarobfusco 26 July 2012 09:42:45PM *  5 points [-]

"Why should I believe you when you seem to be amoral?"

If we took this argument seriously, we (at least those of us in the United States) would have to pretend to be Christians, too.

Optimizing your life to minimize the worst that Mrs Grundy can say about you is a losing proposition — even if Mrs Grundy is a trendy New York gossip columnist rather than a curtain-twitching busybody neighbor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqDFGpd845Y