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Comment author: Lumifer 03 December 2015 10:17:53PM 2 points [-]

Which group has higher average happiness levels, religious or non-religious?

First, this is irrelevant to the question of who makes better predictions; and second, you might be able to show correlation but I have strong doubts you would be able to show causation.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 04 December 2015 01:59:21PM 2 points [-]

Predictions for what makes for a good life?

Comment author: Lumifer 04 December 2015 03:41:09PM 0 points [-]

I think that religions do not predict anything, but help people deal with their lot in life -- whatever it might be.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 04 December 2015 03:46:03PM 4 points [-]

Religions predict a lot of things. Every commandment in the Bible is a prediction, a hypothesis. Every parable, likewise. Do this, not that; the prediction is that "this" is better than "that". If, on the whole, people who are strongly religious are more happy, those predictions hold true.

Comment author: Lumifer 04 December 2015 04:11:17PM 3 points [-]

Do this, not that; the prediction is that "this" is better than "that".

Maybe, but smushing together "making predictions" and "having a particular vision of the world" gets dangerously close to empty philosophising. Of course every worldview implies predictions, but "Jesus Loves You" isn't an exercise in forecasting.

Besides, consider evolution. "Do not kill" works because societies without this commandment disintegrate pretty rapidly and do not make it. That doesn't make it a prediction, just -- like in biology -- a change that's good enough to survive.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 04 December 2015 04:23:18PM 0 points [-]

Maybe, but smushing together "making predictions" and "having a particular vision of the world" gets dangerously close to empty philosophising.

Every hypothesis is a "particular vision of the world", a particular idea about how the world works. Its usefulness is how well this idea translates to prediction.

Besides, consider evolution. "Do not kill" works because societies without this commandment disintegrate pretty rapidly and do not make it. That doesn't make it a prediction, just -- like in biology -- a change that's good enough to survive.

Science is just as much an evolutionary process? I'm not sure what the criticism here is.