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Comment author: MileyCyrus 27 August 2012 11:20:53AM 3 points [-]

When discussing the repugnanat conclusion, Eliezer commented:

I have advocated that "lives barely worth living" always be replaced with "lives barely worth celebrating" in every discussion of the 'Repugnant' Conclusion, to avoid equilibrating between "lives almost but not quite horrible enough to imply that a pre-existing person should commit suicide despite their intrinsic desire to live" versus "lives which we celebrate as good news upon learning about them, and hope to hear more such news in the future, but only to a very slight degree".

In a Big World, it's impossible to create anyone; all you can decide is where to allocate measure among experiences. My utilons for novelty are saturated by the size of reality, and that makes me an average utilitarian. As an average utilitarian, I do indeed accept that "mere addition", i.e., allocation of measure to experiences below-average for the global universe, is bad. If it were, unimaginably, to be demonstrated to me that Earth and its descendants were the only sentient beings in all of Tegmark levels I through IV, then I would embrace the actual creation of new experiences, and accept the Repugnant Conclusion without a qualm.

As I understand, a "Big World" is a world where every possible person exists in infinite copies. But how does this defeat total utilitarianism? These infinite copies of us exists too far away for us to interact with. If my actions cannot affect these people, why should I consider them when I face an ethical dilemma?

Comment author: pengvado 27 August 2012 05:24:05PM *  1 point [-]

The domain of a utility function is possible states of the world. The whole world, not just the parts you can physically affect. Some utility functions (such as total utilitarianism) can be factored into an integral over spacetime (and over other stuff for Tegmark IV) of some locally-supported function, and some can't. If you have a non-factorable utility function, then even if the world is partitioned into non-interacting pieces x and y and you're in x, the value of y still affects ∂U/∂x, and is thus relevant to decisions.