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pleeppleep comments on Friendship is Optimal: A My Little Pony fanfic about an optimization process - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: pleeppleep 08 November 2012 08:01:10PM 0 points [-]

You're probably right about the "most superficial" point. I guess it would have been better to say that the chosen solution for human desires came across as somewhat shallow and superficial.

Also, I didn't say the ending was bad. I think the ending was amazing, but my point was that the intentional feeling of "wrongness" to it means that it can't truly be called happy regardless of how the characters feel because the criteria for a happy ending is relative to the reader and the writer but not the characters.

Comment author: listic 08 November 2012 08:18:29PM 3 points [-]

Agreed.

The question I'm asking myself now is:

Can there be any Shock Level 4 story that can truly be called the one with "happy ending" and without feeling of "wrongness"?

In other words, what part of the wrongness or creepiness of this story is owing to this particular story itself, apart from the fact that this is a SL4 story? (I suspect I am still not used to SL4)

Comment author: pleeppleep 08 November 2012 09:49:17PM 0 points [-]

I think a good deal of the creepiness comes from some combination the artificial determinism of the utopia, and the uncanny valley

Comment author: listic 09 November 2012 11:56:20AM 1 point [-]

What does uncanny valley refer to here?

Comment author: Ritalin 11 November 2012 09:21:01PM 0 points [-]

Yes, what's uncanny here?

Comment author: Ritalin 11 November 2012 09:20:16PM 1 point [-]

satisfy the human characters' urges on the most superficial level

the chosen solution for human desires came across as somewhat shallow and superficial

I don't see it. Satisfying every human's values (even with the specifications "through friendship and ponies") strikes me as about as deep as it can get. Some humans are more shallow than others, and wouldn't find satisfaction in something deep unless their personalities were forcibly modified.

Comment author: pleeppleep 12 November 2012 12:39:11AM 0 points [-]

I misspoke in the first comment and was trying to correct myself. It wasn't really shallow, but it feels shallow the way its described, and that adds to the impression that the story doesn't end happily from the reader's perspective.

Comment author: Ritalin 12 November 2012 02:27:05PM 0 points [-]

I think it's just the author trying to appear " neutral" and not an out and out enthusiastic supporter of the idea. Notice that the misgivings we may feel about stuff in the story are purely emotional, and, faced with Celestia, we can't even argue for them properly.

Imagine if the Borgs or the T'au had been like her, instead of being the strawmen we were faced with?