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47 Post author: Wei_Dai 12 September 2012 10:02PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 13 September 2012 03:10:48AM -2 points [-]
Comment author: Eugine_Nier 13 September 2012 03:49:51AM 7 points [-]

That argument doesn't address the problem of "I want to oppress you", "you want to oppress me".

Comment author: fubarobfusco 13 September 2012 04:14:31AM *  1 point [-]

Extortionate strategies in the Prisoner's Dilemma don't create value as well as nice strategies do, nor do they do as well against one another as nice strategies do; but they beat nice strategies individually.

Some sorts of oppression seem to follow the pattern of extortionate strategies — "I will take advantage of you, and will make it so that you are better off if you let me do so, than if you fight back."

(Real-world examples are probably unhelpful here; I expect that everyone can think of one or two.)

Comment author: siodine 13 September 2012 04:20:25AM *  7 points [-]

What if the problem is "I want to oppress you, but I know individually being nicer would get me more of what I want, so instead I'm going to recruit allies that will help me oppress you because I think that will get me even more of what I want."

Comment author: siodine 13 September 2012 03:25:30AM *  3 points [-]

You think conflicting terminal values don't exist to a relevant degree because of a blog post making the point that we're mostly identical in obvious ways? (ASPD and autism would seem -- I'm not sure what you mean by relevant -- to discount conflicting terminal values not existing to a relevant degree, and then there's enculturation/learning/environment which all affect the brain. Human universals are really cultural universals. To see human universals look towards feral children. This makes your learned values claim suspicious.)