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shminux comments on Open Thread, October 1-15, 2012 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: shminux 01 October 2012 11:47:42PM 9 points [-]

if modafinil were legal, it would become expected, and everything would be harder to match the increased ability of humans to be productive.

I tend to agree that this is a silly argument, especially given that it can be applied to coffee as much as to modafinil, so we better ban coffee, lest those allergic to it be at a disadvantage.

Comment author: MixedNuts 02 October 2012 10:19:54AM 5 points [-]

Yvain says in his posts' comments that coffee doesn't work, as tolerance builds up. This seems disputed.

But why not ban coffee? Because, like alcohol, it's now too ingrained in our culture. But if it wasn't - preventing headaches, irritability, concentration troubles, and the expectation that everyone can pull all-nighters? Fuck yes.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 02 October 2012 01:38:10PM *  3 points [-]

So, the world would be a better place if people like me (who drink butter-coffee everyday) had to give up their favorite health food or risk jail time? Consider me skeptical.

Comment author: MixedNuts 02 October 2012 02:04:52PM 1 point [-]

Does it not work with decaf?

Comment author: gwern 02 October 2012 06:33:47PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: MixedNuts 02 October 2012 06:45:18PM 0 points [-]

I've been thinking about qat a lot these past few days, so I'll tap out of the Far mode discussion. Just this: my problem with coffee is that people are often given too much work, which they require coffee and similar stimulants to accomplish. (Witness: programmers' love for soda; project deadlines at university.) Qat doesn't seem to have that problem.

It does have another problem: if you don't want coffee, it's usually socially acceptable to drink another hot beverage (though if you don't want tea either you're kinda screwed), whereas qat lacks an alternative.

Comment author: gwern 02 October 2012 07:38:46PM 0 points [-]

Given the third world's fondness for tobacco (eg. apparently China is now the largest and growing tobacco market in the world), isn't chewing tobacco an alternative?

Comment author: drethelin 02 October 2012 05:00:32PM 1 point [-]

Coffee may not work to generate more virtual hours of productive time in the long run but that doesn't mean that it's use in time shifting sleep requirements etc isn't still of net benefit.

Comment author: Pfft 02 October 2012 02:54:37AM 7 points [-]

Or indeed to any technology. You may think you are better off using a combine harvester instead of a sickle, but actually it just shifts the expectation of how much grain you need to produce.