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There's a playground for smart adults looking to meet their likes. It's called academia and it's full of shiny toys.
Schools do not cater to every IQ ballpark. If your IQ is 130 (about 1 in 50 people) sure you could find a school that caters to that. If your IQ is 160 (one in thousands, exactly how rare is controversial), good luck.
I don't know what this person's IQ is, but I do know that colleges have to mind their finances and it simply does not make sense from a business standpoint for colleges to invest in creating a curriculum in various subjects for customers beyond a certain level of rarity. Harvard is rumored to have an average IQ of 130. If even Harvard is targeted for 130, where would people outside the socially optimal IQ range (the range ends somewhere beyond 145) go to meet each other?
Add to that that this person sounds like they're living in the middle of bufu and it really would not surprise me if they're gifted and haven't met others. Also, according to one testing center 50% of gifted children weren't given an IQ test, so if that's the case, or if they got one and nobody explained what the score means (they almost never do) then they may not even realize they're gifted, or may have no idea what giftedness means.
They may not even know that it means anything at all, let alone that it means they need to find others, and then there's not a good answer to "where do you find people this rare" let alone "how am I going to find them in bufu?"
Even for those of IQ 160 there is a huge difference between interacting with people whose average IQ is 130, and interacting with the general population. Further, supposing IQ 160 is one-in-X in the world, it's one-in-X/10, or even X/50, in academia. Shifting the average has all kinds of effects on thin tails.
Also consider that in addition to raw intelligence, academia tends to concentrate various forms of neuro-atypicality, and to be relatively tolerant of unusual interests.
This does not mean they will experience group bonding with those people.
Okay, but you've got to consider that the students are broken up into different classes and the classes only contain something like 30 students each, depending, and they're broken up into levels (that correspond more or less to how many years they've spent in college). So if a rare person is 1 in 1000 in the wild, and they're 1 in 100 in a school, and a school has 10,000 students...
10,000 \ 4 levels = 2,500 possible students who might get classes at your level (25 people like you)
The 25 people like you will be divided between 83 different classes if the class size is 30 each.
So you've got about a 30% chance that there's somebody like you is in a given class. Now, since there are 28 other students in each class (aside from you and them), what's the chance you'll actually identify each other out of the crowd? After that, what's the chance you'll have anything in common? Maybe you won't like their personality. Maybe they're shy and never say anything. Maybe you sit on opposite ends of the room and never talk. There are a lot of factors influencing whether you might meet someone and whether you figure out if they're compatible.
If you are 1 in 100 and take 6 classes per semester, you may have an opportunity to meet 4 people like yourself in class each year. An opportunity to meet a total of 16 people like you over the course of your four year college career would actually be pretty crappy odds, especially considering all of the other factors.
Ok; now do the same calculation for the world outside academia, making similar assumptions - no going up to every random person on the street and asking what their IQ is, if you please. You can't do any better than maximising your odds; showing that the odds are still bad is unpersuasive, you have to show that they are the same as, or worse than, the alternative course of action.
No I don't. That WOULD be the way to go IF the argument was "Academia is a better place to meet people than on the street." But that wasn't the disagreement. My original suggestion was "If your IQ is high enough, it can be really hard to find people to bond with." the counterargument was "Academia is a playground (implying that it's a solution, not just that it's better.)" and my rebuttal was "Academia is not a solution to this problem." Don't straw man me.
All I had to do is explain why academia wasn't a solution. Since you seem to agree:
I am going to guess that I've convinced you of my point that academia isn't a solution. Have I?