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NancyLebovitz comments on 2012 Less Wrong Census Survey: Call For Critiques/Questions - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 October 2012 02:29:52PM 6 points [-]

Yours is the first claim I've seen that using "race" to refer to humans is very offensive. Are you hanging out with people who agree with that, and if so, where?

I don't think I've seen "race" applied to animals-- "breed" or "subspecies" is what I'm used to?

Comment author: DaFranker 19 October 2012 06:36:41PM 7 points [-]

This seems to be due to kilobug's self-reported language mistake. "race" in French actually means what "species" means in English, at least in common usage. I recall this as one of many particularly confusing examples for people learning English as a second language in more academic environments.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 20 October 2012 08:13:35AM *  2 points [-]

I don't think I've seen "race" applied to animals-- "breed" or "subspecies" is what I'm used to?

I have quite a bit, but it tends to be in writings from the 19th century or earlier (Darwin, Spencer, etc...).

Comment author: TimS 19 October 2012 02:40:42PM *  1 point [-]

This is the first time you've seen the claim, expressed as follows?

(1) "race" does not divide humanity according to any biologically justifiable criteria,
(2) "race" is used to provide a scientific halo effect to justify current social organization

(2) is obviously true - and is morally positive so long as the first assertion is false. (1) is controversial - but I've seen it expressed many times on LW and other places.

Offensiveness relies in the implicit premise that use of the halo effect when the underlying science is faulty is itself irrational / socially hurtful. That's isomorphic to asserting that the "Noble Lie" is immoral - which I thought was the consensus here.

I don't think I've seen "race" applied to animals-- "breed" or "subspecies" is what I'm used to?

I agree - I've never heard "race" used to categorize animals.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 19 October 2012 02:56:27PM 4 points [-]

I've seen both (1) and (2), but with a tone of "factually wrong" rather than "very offensive".

Comment author: Alicorn 19 October 2012 06:32:39PM 0 points [-]

I think "landrace" applies to animals, though.