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4 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 31 October 2012 05:09AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 31 October 2012 04:28:43PM *  14 points [-]

It's probably not a good idea to laugh at people until you've at least heard their arguments. It is at the very least very bad signaling for an intellectual community to dismiss a small body of work because a sentence on Wikipedia (source unknown) makes it sound silly.

Remember that LW sounds pretty silly on Rational Wiki.

Comment author: Liron 01 November 2012 03:17:11PM *  4 points [-]

It's probably not a good idea to laugh at people until you've at least heard their arguments.

I think Wikipedia's Trivialism page already contains a comprehensive list of its supporting arguments.

Comment author: Swimmy 04 November 2012 09:34:00PM 2 points [-]

Here is the abstract for the dissertation linked on Wikipedia. It argues that it is impossible to reject trivialism, as there are no alternatives to trivialism. It furthermore argues that common refutations of trivialism are incorrect for various reasons.

I'm not sure any of that refutes what you just said.

The paper is offered freely on the page.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 31 October 2012 07:23:30PM *  -1 points [-]

Yea. My personal guess would be that the people in question were never even exposed to a lot of hidden (correct) assumptions we have that makes it so obviously silly, like the nature of things like math, "statements" and "truth".

EDIT:: I'm apparently not all here today and sprouting bull**, sorry.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 October 2012 07:35:16PM *  6 points [-]

You mean that the graduate student of the philosophy of logic doesn't know about things like math and theories of truth? That seems unlikely to me.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 October 2012 07:53:24PM 4 points [-]

Adding to this, it seems more likely that they were exposed to critiques of those assumptions, and put more stock in those critiques than we do.