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Liza comments on Open Thread, November 1-15, 2012 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Liza 05 November 2012 07:41:51PM 0 points [-]

Lesswrong might be poorly equipped to address these types of questions. Have you explored any of the LGBT/transgender subreddits on reddit?

I've obtained much information from other sources but there is a lot of poor epistemic hygiene to sift through so I was wondering what I could find on LW.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 05 November 2012 08:06:37PM -2 points [-]

I know what you mean. Maybe if you give more specific details about which aspects of GID you are struggling with, we can give more helpful advice?

Comment author: Liza 05 November 2012 09:06:41PM -1 points [-]

I've never experienced anything else so obviously liable to cause motivated cognition. I have no accurate way of predicting how I will feel years in the future, because my identification is so strong it would influence me to believe anything in its favor.

In general, it seems to me that none of my thoughts are evidence because the hardware is so biased and I can conceive of no way of correcting for this.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 05 November 2012 11:21:16PM -1 points [-]

I'm afraid I'm not following. What is the judgement you are attempting to accurately make which your identification is interfering with?

Comment author: Liza 06 November 2012 02:02:29AM *  -1 points [-]

Whether I would actually prefer being the "other" gender socially long term. Especially say, 10 years from now.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 06 November 2012 05:03:01AM *  0 points [-]

1) Unless you are considering surgical or hormonal modification, there is no reason you can't change your mind later - though it does get confusing to others, that's far less important than your comfort.

2) It's okay to be in a socially in-between state. There are other identifications, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

This is really more a matter of preference than a problem that can be solved through logic.

Comment author: Liza 06 November 2012 12:14:34PM 0 points [-]

Our society is not very accepting of people who don't fit into gender roles. Hormonal modification is necessary to "pass". Also, hormonal modification is much more effective the earlier you start.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 06 November 2012 11:15:44PM *  0 points [-]

If it is society's acceptance you are after, it would be easiest to present as the gender that you display physically.

Society's preferences will clash with your own in this regard. You have to decide the extent to which you care about that. Societal advancement is slower than technological advancement, and it is likely that the technology to pass completely will be available before society gets to a point where they do not judge people who don't fit gender roles.

Have you tried presenting as the "other" gender socially for a few months? How did it suit you?

Also, have you considered that you might reverse the transition, if you change your mind? (Assuming you have the money)

Comment author: RichardKennaway 06 November 2012 01:35:35PM -1 points [-]

Our society is not very accepting of people who don't fit into gender roles.

That's just another issue to throw into the pot, and then decide whether it matters and how much, and what options exist for dealing with it.