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pragmatist comments on Open Thread, November 1-15, 2012 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: pragmatist 10 November 2012 06:10:09PM *  12 points [-]

You're right, I didn't give sufficient consideration to the benefits you might get from IRC, and I'm sorry about that. I still think what you said about trans people (especially referring to them as "monstrous abortions", even jocularly) is really bad, but if attempting to police that kind of language for yourself would seriously damage the value of IRC as a coping mechanism for you, then it is a more difficult situation than I imagined. Perhaps you could ask a trusted friend who's also a regular on the channel to give you a heads up by PM if what you say gets a little too offensive? I don't know... I do think you're underestimating the extent to which comments of the sort you made are harmful. There are very few communities on the internet (or in real life, for that matter) that are even remotely welcoming to trans people, and I'd like LW to be one of them. But I've said my piece and I'm not going to push it. Sorry for getting too fighty. I should have appreciated that you feel a little blindsided and that piling on doesn't help.

Comment author: gwern 10 November 2012 06:16:46PM 8 points [-]

You're right, I didn't give sufficient consideration to the benefits you might get from IRC, and I'm sorry about that...I should have appreciated that you feel a little blindsided and the piling on doesn't help.

It's OK. There's no reason you should've known I was hard of hearing or appreciate how much I get out of IRC, before I bared my heart.

Perhaps you could ask a trusted friend who's also a regular on the channel to give you a heads up by PM if what you say gets a little too offensive?

That's a good suggestion, but I can't think of any. startling and Algo are the only 2 to express offense in the quoted conversations but I neither trust nor distrust them as guides.

Comment author: AlexanderD 25 November 2012 02:14:26AM -1 points [-]

This careful reconsideration of the subject, subsequent apology, and declaration of an intent to change your behavior are admirable - and a bit ironic, in this situation.