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Comment author: [deleted] 10 November 2012 10:49:39PM *  -1 points [-]

that makes it more difficult to vote such posts out of the forum than similar posts without the rule, thus making expected quality introduced by these posts lower than average.

That's the whole point. The objective of these threads is not to "introduce quality" (and Karma does not measure quality, but popularity, which unfortunately isn't always the same thing); it's simply to have fun. Lots of people are turned off this blog because they find us stuffy, self-important, and unwelcoming. Having threads that encourage another kind of attitude is, I feel, downright healthy.

In fact, I have half a mind to change the next experiment from "don't downvote or upvote" to "please downvote or upvote according to niceness and civility, not "quality" or "intelligence". I want there to be spaces in LW where people aren't being snippy at each other, and where the response to a post you don't approve of but can't be bothered to actually argue against is to down-vote it.

There is only one circumstance in which I for one ever consider downvoting someone, and it's if I feel they're being unreasonable on purpose; wilfully ignorant, or deliberately and smugly obnoxious. I don't down-vote on mistakes, beginner's ignorance, or stupidity.

Edit: I hereby declare this subthread a special meta-discussion exception to which the anti-feedback rules don't apply :-)

Please don't do that retroactively; you're violating tacit consent. If you'd done that from the start, I wouldn't have replied to you in the first place, because I you and I have very different criteria for what merits an upvote or a downvote, and any interaction between you and me will turn to my disadvantage.

In fact, I find the entirety of the karma system insanely dangerous, and would merit a discussion thread of its own. Supposing your attitude annoyed me sufficiently, what's to stop me from searching your post history and downvoting every single post you ever wrote under this handle at LW? I would never do that, because I think that would be evil and I don't like to think of myself as evil,. but you only have my word for it. In fact, what's to stop you from downvoting every single post I make, simply on the grounds that you don't want someone like me on this blog?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 November 2012 10:52:46PM *  2 points [-]

(You've ignored my point about the distinction between posts and comments.)

Comment author: Alicorn 10 November 2012 11:25:56PM 0 points [-]

"Karmassassination" does happen occasionally, but it's limited to an extent by having available downvotes be a function of the downvoter's karma.

Comment author: RobertLumley 11 November 2012 11:28:12PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Alicorn 12 November 2012 12:52:10AM *  0 points [-]

The sockpuppets still have to acquire karma to be able to downvote, although this practice would allow karma-having puppets to concentrate a single person's vitriol against individual comments more forcefully.

Comment author: wedrifid 12 November 2012 12:59:24AM 2 points [-]

The sockpuppets still have to acquire karma to be able to downvote

If only someone with sockpuppets could think of a way to leverage their resources into producing upvotes. Oh...

Comment author: [deleted] 12 November 2012 02:05:03AM -1 points [-]

?

Comment author: wedrifid 12 November 2012 02:08:41AM *  1 point [-]

?

The sockpuppets write and innocent comment or two... perhaps one in an introduction thread and a few rationalist quotes. The other sockpuppets all upvote it. If suckpuppets can be trivially used to generate karma then the need to spend karma in order to downvote is a rather trivial obstacle.

The ability for accounts with no reputation to provide reputation to others is a technical flaw in a reputation system. I didn't follow the "Endless September" talk enough to be sure but I assumed from a glance or two that this is the kind of vulnerability it referred to. (Probable reason I didn't follow the discussion closely: Endless September means nothing to me as a label. September? For a start, what's wrong with September? It is one of my favorite months.)

Comment author: [deleted] 12 November 2012 02:17:34AM -1 points [-]
Comment author: Ritalin 12 November 2012 02:14:46PM 0 points [-]

Sorry, that post is in the wrong thread.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2012 12:24:00AM 0 points [-]

So the posters with more clout function a bit like limited moderators, and, if there's consensus between enough of them, a handle can be banned, with some effort?

Comment author: Alicorn 11 November 2012 12:31:21AM 1 point [-]

Not really. Downvotes don't add up to a ban unless one of us official mods decide they should. Although enough downvotes do throttle commenting speed.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 November 2012 12:37:03AM *  0 points [-]

Thank you, Alicorn. I think the lesswrongwiki could profit from having this sort of "game mechanics" developed in more detail.