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Comment author: Rukifellth 15 February 2013 05:54:29AM *  6 points [-]

He probably did find it annoying, though I can't imagine that comment working the way you intended. His main justification for "biting the bullet" is going to be that biases could hinder a useful analysis. In this case, useful analysis is the thing that lets a person pause and think "this person isn't just against me., he's trying to tell me something". Since you didn't provide a useful analysis of why he didn't actually believe that, you managed to annoy him without actually demonstrating that annoyance is a valid response.

The disregard of annoyance as a valid response can be attributed to people at LW being encouraged to ignore their own emotions in situations like above, based on the idea that most misunderstandings are based on emotional biases that cloud proper thinking.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 15 February 2013 06:05:36AM *  3 points [-]

you managed to annoy him without actually demonstrating that annoyance is a valid response.

Disagree. When Eugine reads the first sentence of what I said above, he's going to be annoyed whether or not I follow up the sentence with an explanation. It was an annoying sentence.

It is good to try not to be affected by the emotional valence of statements, but it is also good to recognize that your statements have emotional valences (and that you can control these). We should optimize for making [helpful comments] and making [comments that give other people the opportunity to test their ability to resist letting emotional biases cloud their judgment] separately.

Comment author: Rukifellth 15 February 2013 06:15:42AM *  2 points [-]

but it is also good to recognize that your statements have emotional valences (and that you can control these).

So it was an explanation-by-demonstration.