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MileyCyrus comments on LW Women Submissions: On Misogyny - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: MileyCyrus 11 April 2013 12:25:43AM *  8 points [-]

Yeah, if we could use these posts to learn about women's experiences instead of constantly doubting everything they say...that would be great.

Comment author: Desrtopa 11 April 2013 01:32:33AM 21 points [-]

Doubting that a person is honestly and accurately relating their experiences is one thing, doubting that the generalizations they draw are accurate is another. I upvoted the post, but I think V_V brings some legitimate considerations to the table here.

Women and men tend to have somewhat different experiences in life, and it's useful for them to be exposed to each others' experiences and learn from them. But I don't think we can assume that the generalizations any particular woman draws from her experiences will be accurate, any more than we can assume that the generalizations that a man draws will be accurate. We just take them all for the evidence they're worth.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 April 2013 05:55:47AM 10 points [-]

Doubting that a person is honestly and accurately relating their experiences is one thing

And even that has it's place since people do in fact exaggerated their experience.

Comment author: Axrt 11 April 2013 12:13:49PM 11 points [-]

No, we take their experiences as fact.

It is not clear, though, why we must automatically take their interpretation of the policy relevance of their experiences as fact.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 11 April 2013 02:54:23PM 8 points [-]

Well, no.

If someone says "Joe did bad things X, Y, and Z to me because he plays violent video games," we can take it as true that X, Y, and Z actually happened without thereby agreeing that video games have anything to do with it. Being unconvinced of the conclusion (or even rejecting it) does not license us to disregard the evidence of that person's experience.

See also Qiaochu_Yuan's comment here:

General note: let's not do that thing where we don't like an argument someone is presenting and so we fail to update on the evidence they present in favor of it.

Comment author: Vaniver 11 April 2013 01:17:04AM 8 points [-]

Yeah, if we could use these posts to learn about women's experiences instead of constantly doubting everything these they say...that would be great.

I think that this would make women more willing to describe their experiences. I also think on LW learning and engagement often look like doubt and criticism, and that epistemic hygiene is very important.