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Comment author: hyporational 17 December 2012 11:10:11AM *  0 points [-]

Men have fewer easy opportunities to upgrade partners than women. That's why we can appear to have the moral high ground.

Can you imagine how you would behave, if you had the constant opportunity that some good looking women do? Think about how some men change, when they learn about PUA or become high status.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 December 2012 01:19:06PM 1 point [-]

Men have fewer easy opportunities to upgrade partners than women. That's why we can appear to have the moral high ground.

Really? Do they have this ready ability to upgrade because:

  • They are initially less picky, more willing to mate with males well below what they could find if they held out and were more selective? That is, so that there are already more opportunities for upgrades? Or...
  • Female mating value is far more fluid than male mating value. Females can more easily improve those features that attract mates. So, they have more opportunities for upgrades because they have more sexual value now, opening up new opportunities.

I wouldn't have said males stereotypically claim this particular high ground to a greater extent than females do---at least in the overall population---nor would that explanation seem the most plausible reason for why it would be so.

In your previous comment you speculated:

On an overly cynical side note, men adapt this way to more suitable partners too. It's just that we usually don't fall in love with resources and social status, but boobs and pretty faces.

Resources and social status tend to be more easy to 'upgrade' than core physical attributes.

Comment author: hyporational 20 December 2012 08:57:41PM *  0 points [-]

Wow, it didn't feel nearly that sloppy when I wrote it, I swear! Thanks for debugging me. Now for the politically incorrect explanation of my thought process...

I think when constructing the argument my brain actually substituted "women I sexually care about" with "women". How horrible is that... For (hopefully obvious) reasons females who sexually interest males are far fewer that males who sexually interest females. Does this seem acceptable to you? As you stated, it's easier for men to upgrade their attractiveness, and this can be true for men well in their fifties and older.

If you check closely I didn't say that men typically claim the moral high ground more often that women do, just that they can appear to have it for the (ridiculously flawed) reason I originally stated.

I wonder if my thought process highlights some mind killing aspects of this topic, and honestly I'm not sure anymore if the improved argument is much more plausible.

Comment author: MrMind 18 December 2012 08:49:44AM 0 points [-]

Men have fewer easy opportunities to upgrade partners than women. That's why we can appear to have the moral high ground.

Yes, after a while I was all righteous "She dumped me, I'm a better person than her, etc", but when the emotional turmoil subsided, I found that I couldn't care less about who was more moral. If her istincts told her so, then all the better for her, I just want another partner for good.

Can you imagine how you would behave, if you had the constant opportunity that some good looking women do?

While it's obvious that with the same set of istincts I would behave in the same way, I don't know how I would become if I had so much success with women. My brain cannot really compute the long term ramification, it's stuck on imagining all the sex I would get...

Think about how some men change, when they learn about PUA or become high status.

Well, I'm not sure if the implication could not be reversed, but I guess that whenever you have more success, you naturally become more picky, and that if you're not able to discern right away the good from the bad, or you find someone who's really good at faking, you become a much more frequent dumper.

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