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Desrtopa comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 17, chapter 86 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Desrtopa 19 December 2012 02:30:05PM 8 points [-]

This has come up before in the tvtropes discussion thread, but personally I operate on the assumption that apparating in a combat situation is simply beyond the skills of most wizards. It requires deliberation, which is probably hard to muster when someone is firing death beams at you, and if you tried it you'd probably get splinched. It's probably doable for really exceptional wizards, like Voldemort or Dumbledore, but not for your average auror, let alone the average joe wizard.

Highly tactically useful feats that are extremely difficult to perform would be one major reason why some wizards can be so much more dangerous in a fight than others when wizards far from the top of the scale are capable of firing death beams.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 21 December 2012 05:30:08AM 2 points [-]

but personally I operate on the assumption that apparating in a combat situation is simply beyond the skills of most wizards.

Port keys? Those seem an obvious precaution in a wizarding war.

Comment author: Desrtopa 21 December 2012 05:48:39AM *  2 points [-]

I can't think of any particular reason that wouldn't work, unless Voldemort or the Death Eaters in general have some way of stopping them prior to the attack. Maybe the anti-disapparition jinx (which is an area of effect spell rather than a targeted one according to the Potter wiki) also affects portkeys? Or perhaps there's another spell. The Death Eaters might simply jinx their targets' houses before attacking.

If there weren't some way of preventing people from using them, I'd think having a portkey in the house in a readily accessible place, to teleport out of harm's way, would be standard response for anyone at particular risk in the war. Given that this apparently didn't stop the Death Eaters, I assume that it's preventable.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 22 December 2012 06:49:04AM 1 point [-]

Given how poorly the war was going for the OotF I wouldn't be surprised if by that point they were suffering from a shortage of safe houses.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 19 December 2012 05:37:07PM 2 points [-]

Ok, that's a good point. So what about blowing a hole in the wall and fleeing into the night?

Comment author: Desrtopa 19 December 2012 06:47:30PM 2 points [-]

I assume that he'd catch her if she tried. He can fly.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 20 December 2012 04:59:37AM 0 points [-]

As opposed to what happens when she sits about in a panic? "Accio Broomstick" is another helpful tactical option, here. Anyway, if he can fly, why can't she?

Comment author: pedanterrific 20 December 2012 06:55:03AM 5 points [-]

In canon, Voldemort's unassisted-flight spell was unique to him (until he taught it to Snape). He invented it, and it was considered rather impressive, and unprecedented.

Comment author: DanArmak 21 December 2012 08:43:35PM 0 points [-]

There's also the Floo.

Comment author: Desrtopa 21 December 2012 09:38:52PM 2 points [-]

I think canon suggests you're either part of the Floo network or you're not, meaning that if you were part of it, the Death Eaters could use it to get in, just as you could use it to get out.

Comment author: DanArmak 21 December 2012 10:10:08PM 0 points [-]

The offices of Dumbledore and Snape and presumably the other Professors have Floo links.

Comment author: Desrtopa 21 December 2012 10:23:10PM 1 point [-]

Before the war, certainly. And even during, while Dumbledore was alive, Hogwarts was well enough protected that it probably wouldn't have been a good idea for the Death Eaters to try and get in by Floo, even assuming that they could.

The Potter Wiki says that the Floo Network is governed by the Floo Network Authority at the Ministry of Magic, which probably keeps tabs on who's connected where, so being connected to the Floo Network may be incompatible with trying to keep your location strictly secret.