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Vaniver comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 18, chapter 87 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Vaniver 22 December 2012 05:57:26PM 3 points [-]

Alphabeta: Also, why is Harry using Snape as his example of guys he might end up attracted to instead of Quirrelmort?

I think this is because Harry doesn't deeply understand / have preferences between the various attractive male archetypes, and so when he sees Snape he thinks "male" instead of, say, "brooding, vulnerable, dark, assertive, high standards male."

Comment author: MixedNuts 22 December 2012 10:39:19PM 6 points [-]

Looks like it's just because he very recently had a conversation with McGonagall where "Hey, I might turn out attracted to Snape" was relevant (to judging girls who are attracted to him), so he's primed to think of him as an example.

Comment author: Vaniver 22 December 2012 10:49:08PM 0 points [-]

I'm aware. I think that the additional details add precision.

Comment author: Alicorn 22 December 2012 06:04:43PM *  0 points [-]

Silliness. He's already entertained the thought of marrying Professor Quirrell.

Comment author: Alsadius 22 December 2012 06:41:40PM 11 points [-]

But only in an obviously joking way. Snape seems to be the one all the girls go for, so he assumes that he'd do the same if he were gay.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 December 2012 09:14:12PM 3 points [-]

I thought it's supposed (by the author, not necessarily by the character) to be silly.

Comment author: Vaniver 22 December 2012 06:41:05PM 4 points [-]

Sure. But in that particular conversation, they were discussing the class of females that finds Professor Snape attractive. Harry, inexperienced in differentiating between the flavors of male attractiveness, has no idea what information McGonagall is conveying when she refers to a "certain sort of girl" that is drawn to Snape. As far as he can tell, she means "heterosexual plus unknown," and he rounds "unknown" down to zero when forecasting for himself. (Great use of probabilistic reasoning there, Harry.)

If he did understand, he would have been able to identify that Snape probably wouldn't be his type, even if he were interested in men.

Comment author: MixedNuts 22 December 2012 11:19:53PM 1 point [-]

The research on same-sex attraction is kind of weird. 10% is a good ballpark guess for how many men are habitually into men (with about an even split between gay and bi), but Kinsey (old data, time for a replication) gives more of a 20% total (with an even split too), using an unclear mix of attraction and behavior. But he also says that 46% (?!) of men have ever been attracted to a man. Maybe Harry is guesstimating that the probability he's into men in general but not Snape and the probability he's not much into men but Snape is an exception more or less cancel out?

Comment author: Izeinwinter 23 December 2012 12:27:33AM *  3 points [-]

Kinsey used interviews, and there are some issues with sampling bias with his work - Almost all research on this since has used surveys. Which give wildly differing percentages depending on how the question is asked. asking about behavior in very carefully neutral tones:

"How long has it been since you have had sex with a man ?: Day, week, month, year, never" "How long has it been since you have had sex with a woman? Day, week, month, year, never"

Usually gives results in the 10% range, Asking outright if people are gay or lesbian, 2 to 3 %., A lot of this can be ascribed to the fact that LBGT is not just a preference, it is also a subculture - Just because you sleep with members of the same sex does not guarantee that you feel like a part of that subculture.

Snape... That is both the author and the character being funny.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 January 2013 11:02:22PM 0 points [-]

Start pursuing some more Harry Potter fanfiction and you might find some people don't think it's all that silly at all.