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First: Harry and Quirrell can't interact magically. Quirrell didn't Obliviate or Legilimize Harry, and he is not Mr Bester in disguise. (Theoretically he could have Imperiused Sprout to do it, though.)
Second: why would Harry mention that idea here? What purpose would that serve other than to make Hermione feel even more useless and stupid?
Not damaging her emotionally even more severely if circumstances force him to use the arbitrage?
Do you think Hermione expects Harry to have not thought about the problem, or to have no ideas about how to solve it?
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Hermione ought to think that if Harry knew how to pay off the debt, he would already be working on it. We have every reason to think that as well. But he isn't. And that's what's very, very odd.
He has bigger and more urgent problems, is the short version. So?
In your own quote, you said:
'it's more important to get that sorted immediately than which one of us gets it sorted."
Regardless of whether it is urgent, Harry obviously believes it to be so.
That says nothing about priorities. It's more important to find the person who framed Hermione than it is to solve the debt, and it's more important to solve the debt than it is which of them solves it. There's no contradiction.
There's no reason he can't work on both problems simultaneously.
Well, he can't work on them to-the-moment simultaneously, so investing time in solving the debt means less time invested in solving the frame up. The debt is on hold for years, whereas the trail for the frame up may be getting colder by the day.
Ah, yes, that would prevent Quirrell from being the occlumency teacher. But Mr. Bester could have been allied with or imperiused by Quirrell, and so Quirrell could use Bester or another person to do the memory modifications for him.
And Harry should have mentioned that gold-and-silver scheme here because if Hermione fails to make a philosopher's stone--which for all Harry knows, she very well may--then if Harry does indeed remember his original gold-and-silver scheme, he will use it anyway. And then Hermione would know that Harry deceived her into thinking that he was actually relying on her, and their relationship would be tarnished.
Moreover, we often hear Harry's thoughts. And he wasn't thinking about his gold-and-silver scheme during his conversation with Hermione.
This scene was narrated from Hermione's point of view.
Oh, yeah. slaps forehead. Still, my other points stand.
That could just as easily imply that Harry hasn't thought of a way to pay off the debt as it could imply that he has.
He's explicitly saying he's not relying on her to do it. How could that be any clearer?
But if he does remember the gold-and-silver scheme, then he's telling Hermione to go work on a problem that isn't necessary to solve--and there's every likelihood that she'd find out.
Do we know if Imperiusing someone into casting a spell counts as him casting the spell for Doom purposes?
Well no, we don't, not specifically. I'd find it a little odd if it did, but I suppose blackmail or threats or FMCs would also work.
Well, in canon it's described as similar to having them as an extension of your body, albeit one with it's own skills and knowledge. So it might count less as "coercing someone into casting" than "casting with someone else's wand".
But yeah, it's hardly impossible to force people into helping you.