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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 22 December 2012 11:37:37PM 8 points [-]

Erm... a basic theory of MoR is that all the characters get automatic intelligence upgrades, except for Hermione who doesn't need it and starts out as exactly similar to her canon self as I could manage, thus putting everyone on an equal footing for the first time. I presume you're familiar with the literary theory which holds that Hermione is the main character of the canon Harry Potter novels?

Comment author: Alicorn 23 December 2012 12:11:58AM 9 points [-]

Is that seriously what you were trying to do? I don't think canon Hermione actually has an eidetic memory, for one thing. And canon Hermione is not as silly. Even early on she has the ability to sort of... roll her eyes and move forward, when that's called for. Canon Hermione lectures but does not moralize; canon Hermione is not this romantically precocious.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 23 December 2012 03:54:16PM 2 points [-]

What are the details about Hermione's memory in canon? Isn't there a bit about her remembering exactly what someone said, one of the other characters being surprised, and her explaining that she can remember because she listens?

Comment author: Alicorn 23 December 2012 05:36:18PM 0 points [-]

She certainly has a good memory, but she does not casually memorize 100% of things.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 27 December 2012 08:07:03AM 7 points [-]

"I've tried a few simple spells just for practice and it's all worked for me. Nobody in my family's magic at all, it was ever such a surprise when I got my letter, but I was ever so pleased, of course, I mean, it's the very best school of witchcraft there is, I've heard—I've learnt all our set books off by heart, of course, I just hope it will be enough—I'm Hermione Granger, by the way, who are you?"

MoR:

"Do you have an eidetic memory, Hermione?"

Hermione shook her head. "It's not photographic, I've always wished it was but I had to read my school books five times over to memorize them all."

Comment author: Alicorn 27 December 2012 02:56:22PM 2 points [-]

I always interpreted her as exaggerating in canon; MoR leaves less room for that interpretation but if you read it differently to begin with I suppose they're not really as in tension as I thought.

Comment author: MugaSofer 27 December 2012 04:26:49PM 11 points [-]

I always interpreted her as exaggerating in canon

She quotes textbooks word for word, all the time. It's practically a running gag. I always assumed that Rowling thought that was a side effect of being smart.

Comment author: J_Taylor 28 December 2012 03:08:20AM 0 points [-]

She quotes textbooks word for word, all the time.

I am having difficulty finding evidence of this. Could you perhaps give an example? (Ideally, a passage from the book.)

Comment author: MugaSofer 28 December 2012 07:19:18PM 1 point [-]

In Half-Blood Prince, when Snape is first teaching the class about silent casting, he asks if anyone can explain why it's useful in combat. Hermione's answer is identical to that given in the textbook, which Snape comments on.

Comment author: J_Taylor 29 December 2012 12:12:22AM *  3 points [-]

Possibly an example. Are you are referring to this:

"Your adversary has no warning about what kind of magic you're about to perform," said Hermione, "which gives you a split-second advantage."

"An answer copied almost word for word from The Standard Book of Spells, Grade Six," said Snape dismissively (over in the corner, Malfoy sniggered), "but correct in essentials."

This is basically Snapish for "You got the only correct answer, but I still hate you. Had you given an incorrect answer, I would told you that you suck as a person. Thankfully, the correct answer to this question is in a schoolbook. As such, I'll still use this opportunity to tell you that you suck as a person." It does not seem to have anything to do with Hermione actually having an eidetic memory.

Comment author: blashimov 28 December 2012 04:49:10AM 0 points [-]

Yeesh, I know she at least once remembered the right section and page, then read from the book, and I feel like she's quoted books before, but darned if I can find it easily.

Comment author: CronoDAS 23 December 2012 12:23:52AM 0 points [-]

What about fanon!Hermione?

Comment author: Alicorn 23 December 2012 12:40:45AM 0 points [-]

I don't remember seeing an MoRish Hermione in any of the fic I've read.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 23 December 2012 08:05:45AM 1 point [-]

Have you read Amends, or Truth and Reconciliation? It's at least got a very smart Hermione who understands that she has to think about what she's doing in order to defend what she cares about.

Comment author: Alicorn 23 December 2012 02:12:35PM 0 points [-]

Haven't seen it; I'll take a look.

Comment author: MugaSofer 23 December 2012 02:24:58PM 2 points [-]

Is this seriously as close to canon!Hermione as you could get it? I assumed she got edietic memory to replace her canon intelligence, since everyone was getting the intelligence upgrade anyway. And the whole Bad/Good thing seems almost completely original to HPMOR, although it's possible it's a fanon thing I just haven't come across.