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pedanterrific comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 18, chapter 87 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 05:44:56AM 11 points [-]

...do note that Hermione at one point reacts in a genre-savvy fashion by saying that it's fine for Harry to have a dark side.

Please keep in mind that a lot of this apparent problem is generated by the unalterable fact that Harry, who has Stuff Going On and has been through hell as the title character and has to grow fast enough to be competitive with people like Dumbledore and Professor Quirrell (all genders chosen by Rowling) happens to be male, whereas Hermione, who like many other characters is going to have difficulty competing with Harry at this point in the story, happens to be female. I mean, suppose Rowling had made her professionally paranoid Auror a woman. It's not unthinkable that someone might complain about how Harry, a male, managed to land a stun on Madam Moody. Symmetrically, if Draco had discovered Harry doing science with Hermione some chapters earlier, he wouldn't have had the same reaction but he would've had an equally difficult reaction for Harry to deal with, and yes I would've figured out some way to make the adultery joke there too.

The main lesson I'm learning is that there are potential Problems when you arrange the plot so that you have the main character interacting with two different tiers of powered characters (Harry-Draco-Hermione and Harry-Dumbledore-Quirrell) and you haven't arranged the plot to have the main character's companions go through everything the main character does... but that problem is far too late to correct now.

P.S: In retrospect there's exactly one important canon character in this story whose gender I could freely choose, and I did happen to make her female, but that's not going to be apparent until later.

Comment author: pedanterrific 23 December 2012 07:13:35AM 5 points [-]

Ooh, a guessing game. I'll go with... the Giant Squid.

Comment author: Alsadius 24 December 2012 06:09:20PM 3 points [-]

No, it's clearly Mrs. Barbara Dementor.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 December 2012 11:16:20AM 2 points [-]

Fawkes

Comment author: undermind 24 December 2012 01:06:12AM 4 points [-]

Mrs. Hat-and-Cloak

Comment author: Spurlock 25 December 2012 05:23:50AM 3 points [-]

Hat & Cloak turning out to be McGonagall would be the most mind-bending and awesome plot twist ever. Unfortunately Hat & Cloak isn't a canon character (right? I didn't read the books), so this wouldn't fit EY's hint.

Comment author: NihilCredo 23 December 2012 08:46:04PM *  1 point [-]

Fawkes is male in HPMOR.

e: unless the "that's not going to be apparent until later" means that he will be revealed to have actually been female all along later on.

Comment author: Manfred 23 December 2012 03:34:29PM *  0 points [-]

I would guess that phoenixes are hermaphroditic. Or maybe they're spontaneously generated?