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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 23 December 2012 03:54:16PM 2 points [-]

What are the details about Hermione's memory in canon? Isn't there a bit about her remembering exactly what someone said, one of the other characters being surprised, and her explaining that she can remember because she listens?

Comment author: Alicorn 23 December 2012 05:36:18PM 0 points [-]

She certainly has a good memory, but she does not casually memorize 100% of things.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 27 December 2012 08:07:03AM 7 points [-]

"I've tried a few simple spells just for practice and it's all worked for me. Nobody in my family's magic at all, it was ever such a surprise when I got my letter, but I was ever so pleased, of course, I mean, it's the very best school of witchcraft there is, I've heard—I've learnt all our set books off by heart, of course, I just hope it will be enough—I'm Hermione Granger, by the way, who are you?"

MoR:

"Do you have an eidetic memory, Hermione?"

Hermione shook her head. "It's not photographic, I've always wished it was but I had to read my school books five times over to memorize them all."

Comment author: Alicorn 27 December 2012 02:56:22PM 2 points [-]

I always interpreted her as exaggerating in canon; MoR leaves less room for that interpretation but if you read it differently to begin with I suppose they're not really as in tension as I thought.

Comment author: MugaSofer 27 December 2012 04:26:49PM 11 points [-]

I always interpreted her as exaggerating in canon

She quotes textbooks word for word, all the time. It's practically a running gag. I always assumed that Rowling thought that was a side effect of being smart.

Comment author: J_Taylor 28 December 2012 03:08:20AM 0 points [-]

She quotes textbooks word for word, all the time.

I am having difficulty finding evidence of this. Could you perhaps give an example? (Ideally, a passage from the book.)

Comment author: MugaSofer 28 December 2012 07:19:18PM 1 point [-]

In Half-Blood Prince, when Snape is first teaching the class about silent casting, he asks if anyone can explain why it's useful in combat. Hermione's answer is identical to that given in the textbook, which Snape comments on.

Comment author: J_Taylor 29 December 2012 12:12:22AM *  3 points [-]

Possibly an example. Are you are referring to this:

"Your adversary has no warning about what kind of magic you're about to perform," said Hermione, "which gives you a split-second advantage."

"An answer copied almost word for word from The Standard Book of Spells, Grade Six," said Snape dismissively (over in the corner, Malfoy sniggered), "but correct in essentials."

This is basically Snapish for "You got the only correct answer, but I still hate you. Had you given an incorrect answer, I would told you that you suck as a person. Thankfully, the correct answer to this question is in a schoolbook. As such, I'll still use this opportunity to tell you that you suck as a person." It does not seem to have anything to do with Hermione actually having an eidetic memory.

Comment author: MugaSofer 29 December 2012 02:54:37PM *  3 points [-]

Yup, that's the one. Only Snape would criticize someone for having the answer too right (although there are overtones of "Guessing the Teacher's Password" here.)

(I never said that Hermione had an eidetic memory, only that she quotes textbooks.)

Comment author: Sheaman3773 19 August 2013 06:27:11PM 3 points [-]

As a teacher-in-training, I feel that I should say that while I do feel utterly appalled at Snape's pedagogical practices, there is a problem with reciting directly from the textbook.

That is, if you are quoting the textbook precisely, then how is the teacher to differentiate between remembrance and understanding? That is why teachers of more writing-oriented subjects often ask for the students to give their answer in their own words, to better gauge understanding.

There's also the possibility of the book having too limited a viewpoint, something that Severus "The Half-Blood Prince" Snape would definitely agree with, but he probably was just being a terrible human being, yes.

Comment author: blashimov 28 December 2012 04:49:10AM 0 points [-]

Yeesh, I know she at least once remembered the right section and page, then read from the book, and I feel like she's quoted books before, but darned if I can find it easily.