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Alethea comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 18, chapter 87 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Alethea 23 December 2012 10:16:16PM *  4 points [-]

The reply was about how drethelin's situation where a real situation/behaviour is repeatedly associated with imagined reward, is very similar to covert positive reinforcement where one imagines even the situation/behaviour itself. I'm confused on the relevance of mentioning the original comparison between actual/imagined reward in the context?

We have a situation where there are scientific/empirical tests performed on 'a real behaviour with real positive reinforcement' and 'an imagined behaviour with imagined positive reinforcement' that seems to support each other.

In fact covert conditioning does have the requirement that the patient imagine the situation sufficiently vividly. There's no reason to believe that if the patient imagine (or perceive) the situation too vividly (or too real) it would somehow affect them less.

Comment author: MugaSofer 24 December 2012 04:47:47AM *  0 points [-]

As for the use of imagined positive reinforcer, that seems very similar to covert positive reinforcement (part of covert conditioning) which should be easy to find scientific tests on if you have access to libraries.

The only difference here is that the behavior itself is not imagined.

Whoops, I misread that last line as "The only difference here is that the reward itself is not imagined." Thanks for catching that.

Comment author: Alethea 24 December 2012 10:22:35AM 1 point [-]

Yw and thanks for the clarification. No more confusion then. :)