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shminux comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 18, chapter 87 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: shminux 04 January 2013 10:42:59PM *  1 point [-]

Skills are partly memories, but memories are not skills. You don't learn to ride a bike just by watching someone else do it and simply remembering it later (EDIT: though it helps, thanks to mirror neurons). I'd guess that procedural and other implicit memory is not pensievable.

EDIT: while looking stuff up, I came across this fascinating study on off-line memory consolidation.

Comment author: gwern 06 January 2013 02:10:04AM 0 points [-]

Skills are partly memories, but memories are not skills. You don't learn to ride a bike just by watching someone else do it and simply remembering it later

Watching a bike merely forms a particular subset of memories, and does not show that 'memories are not skills'.

I'd guess that procedural and other implicit memory is not pensievable.

Yes, that rather is the question: how far does the Pensieve go? Is it merely a game-breaker for the kind of declarative knowledge schools spend so much time on, or a game-breaker for pretty much everything they might teach?

Comment author: shminux 06 January 2013 03:47:12AM 1 point [-]

Not sure what your point is. If there were a way to use a potion, a spell, a charm or a human sacrifice to master the school curriculum without spending years in Hogwarts, surely there would be some students who did just that.

Comment author: gwern 06 January 2013 04:10:00AM 0 points [-]

Which could be said of the Felix potion as well.