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22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: jimrandomh 23 December 2012 11:27:14PM 8 points [-]

Posts advocating or "asking about" violence against identifiable real people or groups should be deleted at the admins' discretion:

Agree Disagree

Posts advocating or "asking about" violation of laws that are actually enforced against middle-class people, other than the above, should be deleted at the admins' discretion:

Agree Disagree

Submitting...

Comment author: gjm 24 December 2012 02:08:22AM 8 points [-]

This poll, like EY's original question, conflates two things that don't obviously belong together. (1) Advocating certain kinds of act. (2) "Asking about" the same kind of act.

I appreciate that in some cases "asking about" might just be lightly-disguised advocacy, or apparent advocacy might just be a particularly vivid way of asking a question. I'm guessing that the quotes around "asking about" are intended to indicate something like the first of these. But what, exactly?

Comment author: jbeshir 24 December 2012 02:51:36AM 3 points [-]

I think in this context, "asking about" might include raising for neutral discussion without drawing moral judgements.

The connection I see between them is that if someone starts neutral discussion about a possible action, actions which would reasonably be classified as advocacy have to be permitted if the discussion is going to progress smoothly. We can't discuss whether some action is good or bad without letting people put forward arguments that it is good.

Comment author: gjm 24 December 2012 03:15:34AM 3 points [-]

There's certainly a connection. I'm not convinced the connection is so intimate that if censoring one is a good idea then so is censoring the other.

Comment author: jimrandomh 23 December 2012 11:35:02PM 3 points [-]

This is not a poll, but

...but it'd be nice to have a poll to point at later, to show consensus, and I'd be surprised if people disagreed.