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kodos96 comments on New censorship: against hypothetical violence against identifiable people - Less Wrong Discussion

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: kodos96 24 December 2012 07:09:45AM *  0 points [-]

I'm not sure what RomeoStevens meant about discussion of violence against oneself being illegal, but aside from that aspect, his point is entirely valid. You seem to be suggesting that we're generalising from "suicide is illegal" to "any form of violence against oneself is illegal". We're not. We're simply noting that suicide is one type of violence against onself, and it's illegal.

Your statement expands to "In most times and places throughout history, including all countries whose legal systems I am familiar with, violence against oneself is fully legal." Unless you're familiar only with very odd legal systems, that seems to be a rather blatant confusion.

Comment author: wedrifid 24 December 2012 07:23:56AM -2 points [-]

but aside from that aspect, his point is entirely valid

No. MixedNut's point. RomeoStevens' reply was confused and mistaken. Unfortunately Caspian has mislead you about the context.

We're simply noting that suicide is one type of violence against onself, and it's illegal.

That was my original impression and why I refrained from downvoting him. Until, that is, it became apparent that he and some readers (evidently yourself included) believe that his statement of trivia in some way undermines the point made by MixedNut's and supported by myself or supports RomeoStevens' ungrammatical rhetorical interjection.

Comment author: kodos96 24 December 2012 07:40:43AM *  -1 points [-]

I had read the entire context, and re-read it just now to make sure I hadn't missed anything. You're correct that RomeoStevens' reply doesn't really undermine MixedNuts' point, and is therefore "trivia". But it's nonetheless correct trivia (modulo the above-mentioned caveat) and your refutation of it is therefore quite confusing.

But it's pointless to continue arguing this trivial point, as it's irrelevant to the thread topic, except in the meta sense that these kinds of pointless semantic debates will be the inevitible result of implementation of this extremely ill-advised and poorly thought-through censorship policy.