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Eugine_Nier comments on New censorship: against hypothetical violence against identifiable people - Less Wrong Discussion

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 December 2012 08:40:40AM *  12 points [-]

I don't necessarily object to this policy but find it troubling that you can't give a better reason for not discussing violence being a good idea than PR.

Frankly, I find it even more troubling that your standard reasons for why violence is not in fact a good idea seem to be "it's bad PR" and "even if it is we shouldn't say so in public".

As I quote here:

if your main goal is to show that your heart is in the right place, then your heart is not in the right place.

Edit: added link to an example of SIAI people unable to give a better reason against doing violence than PR.

Comment author: jimrandomh 24 December 2012 06:25:17PM 5 points [-]

I don't necessarily object to this policy but find it troubling that you can't give a better reason for not discussing violence being a good idea than PR.

I would find this troubling if it were true, but the better reason is right there in the post: "Talking about such violence makes that violence more probable".

Comment author: quiet 24 December 2012 04:55:29PM 7 points [-]

I appreciate the honesty of it. No one here is going to enact any of these thought experiments in real life. The likely worst outcome is to off-put potential SI donors. It must be hard enough to secure funding for a fanfic-writing apocalypse cult; prepending violent onto that description isn't going to loosen up many wallets.

Comment author: Desrtopa 24 December 2012 07:50:10PM 0 points [-]

If the violence is a bad idea, which in nearly all cases it probably would be, other commenters are likely to point that out. Having people inspired to carry out acts of violence in spite of other members pointing out that it's unlikely to bear good results is possible, but unlikely, whereas having people judge the community negatively for discussing such things at all is considerably more likely.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 December 2012 08:00:34PM *  2 points [-]

If the violence is a bad idea, which in nearly all cases it probably would be, other commenters are likely to point that out.

Can you point to an example of this actually happening?

Comment author: Desrtopa 24 December 2012 08:10:28PM 4 points [-]
Comment author: DanArmak 26 December 2012 08:04:52PM 1 point [-]

The post in question was heavily downvoted before it was deleted.