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DanArmak comments on New censorship: against hypothetical violence against identifiable people - Less Wrong Discussion

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 24 December 2012 02:44:30AM 8 points [-]

It has a net negative effect because people then go around saying (this post will be deleted after policy implementation), "Oh, look, LW is encouraging people to commit suicide and donate the money to them." That is what actually happens. It is the only real significant consequence.

Now it's true that, in general, any particular post may have only a small effect in this direction, because, for example, idiots repeatedly make up crap about how SIAI's ideas should encourage violence against AI researchers, even though none of us have ever raised it even as a hypothetical, and so themselves become the ones who conceptually promote violence. But it would be nice to have a nice clear policy in place we can point to and say, "An issue like this would not be discussable on LW because we think that talking about violence against individuals can conceptually promote such violence, even in the form of hypotheticals, and that any such individuals would justly have a right to complain. We of course assume that you will continue to discuss violence against AI researchers on your own blog, since you care more about making us look bad and posturing your concern, than about the fact that you, yourself, are the one has actually invented, introduced, talked about, and given publicity to, the idea of violence against AI researchers. But everyone else should be advised that any such 'hypothetical' would have been deleted from LW in accordance with our anti-discussing-hypothetical-violence-against-identifiable-actual-people policy."

Comment author: DanArmak 26 December 2012 07:22:39PM *  3 points [-]

Idiots make up crap about all kinds of things, not just violence or other illegal acts. Ideas outside societal norms often attract bad PR. If your primary goal here is to improve PR, you would have to censor posts by explicit PR criteria. The proposed criteria of discussion of violence or law-breaking is not optimized for this goal. So, what is it you really want?

Discussion of violence is something that (you claim) has no positive value, even ignoring PR. So it's easy to decide to censor it. But have you really considered what else to censor according to your goals? Violence clearly came due to the now deleted post; it was an available example. But you shouldn't just react to it and ignore other things, if your goal is not to prevent discussion of violence or crime in itself.