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DanArmak comments on New censorship: against hypothetical violence against identifiable people - Less Wrong Discussion

22 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 December 2012 09:00PM

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 24 December 2012 11:56:53PM *  3 points [-]

When you go on a first date with someone, would you tell them "hey, I've got this great idea about how I should [insert violence here] in order to [insert goal here]. What do you think?" Of course not, because whether or not this is a good idea, you are not getting a second date.

PR isn't inherently Dark Arts. It's about providing evidence to another party about yourself or your organization in a way which is conducive to further provision of evidence. If you start all your dates by talking about your worst traits first, you aren't giving your date incentives to stick around and learn about your best traits. If LW becomes known for harboring discussions of terrorism or whatever, you aren't giving outsiders incentives to stick around and learn about all the other interesting things happening on LW, or work for SIAI, etc.

Comment author: DanArmak 26 December 2012 07:57:25PM 2 points [-]

If you start all your dates by talking about your worst traits first

This begs the question by assuming the proposed violence is a bad trait.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 26 December 2012 10:51:05PM 2 points [-]

All I'm assuming is that a typical date will assume that people who talk about violence on the first date are crazy and/or violent themselves. This is an argument about first impressions, not an argument about goodness or badness.