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Multiheaded comments on Politics Discussion Thread January 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Multiheaded 03 January 2013 11:31:28PM *  0 points [-]

And yes, I'm specifically claiming that on net people like the latter three have a much larger negative impact than the positive impact of people like the former three.

...Then I don't understand how your words are at all an objection to my description of emancipatory/socially radical politics. You do understand that, for example, MLK was a radically minded avowed socialist who led a partial social revolution in the US without either violence or "explicit political power"? If you don't find yourself "horrified" by this, then we don't seem to have a problem.

Your use of the word overpriced and affluent leads me to believe you attach moral significance to parting idiots with their money for baubles. Why?

It's not nearly so narrow; I see no point in manufacturing tons of useless shiny stuff and pushing fake desires onto people to sell it so that the cycle can continue - and this wasteful nonsense is a mandatory imperative for 1st world capitalism. If we could agree on a different mechanism of distribution (not necessarily state planning), we could be using our industrial might to kickstart poor countries instead - while 1st world people could be working less, consuming less, wasting less, draining less resources, enjoying more leisure and giving more attention to the non-monetary things in society.

Example: why the hell do we buy personal cars for driving in cities? What good does it do us at all? And have we even considered the myriad costs? How is this not a ridiculous failure of the "pragmatic" capitalist mode of distribution AND its ideology?

Comment author: RomeoStevens 04 January 2013 01:26:19AM 2 points [-]

If you don't find yourself "horrified" by this, then we don't seem to have a problem.

Wait so unless I'm horrified by it 100% of the time my point gets thrown out? There's no room for saying something has plusses and minuses and the minuses outweigh the plusses?

I see no point in manufacturing tons of useless shiny stuff and pushing fake desires onto people to sell it

Sorry but you don't get to decide which preferences are real. You are angry that more resources aren't devoted towards things you value, welcome to the club.

Comment author: TimS 04 January 2013 02:21:12AM 1 point [-]

Multi,

I've read this conversation, and I literally don't understand what you are talking about. I agree with you that left-of-mainstream views would be valuable in this community. But I think you and RomeoStevens are only talking past each other. That's not really a victory for rationalism.