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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 January 2013 08:21:53PM *  -2 points [-]

Republicans spend a lot of time torturing non-Americans and then laughing about it in their Republican forums, so as a non-American,

There are two ways to interpret the above statement, one of which makes it false, the other true but highly misleading.

The false interpretation: Republicans support torturing random non-Americans and than laugh about it on their forums. (Seriously, if this statement sounds at all plausible to you, you have bigger problems.)

The misleading interpretation: Republicans support torturing certain particular non-Americans and laugh than laugh about it on their forums. Of course, those particular non-Americans are terrorists, dictators, dictators' thugs, and otherwise nasty people who one could reasonably say deserve it.

Comment author: mwengler 04 January 2013 02:07:01PM 3 points [-]

Of course, those particular non-Americans are terrorists, dictators, dictators' thugs, and otherwise nasty people who one could reasonably say deserve it.

Or innocent bystanders mistaken for, or even cynically denounced without merit. The same legal and practical protections against torturing or even mistakenly imprisoning Americans are deliberately not applied when torturing or imprisoning foreigners.

The U.S. has, and all countries have, to some extent, a double standard, one for citizens and one for non-citizens. In the U.S. the distance between the two different standards has increased gigantically since 9/11/2001.

This may be what Aris was referring to.