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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 07 January 2013 04:28:41AM 4 points [-]

And look where we are, LessWrong, where "contrarian" is a compliment, as if reversed consensus were intelligence.

Can you link to an example of someone using it as a compliment? I don't think this is actually the case. It's simply much less of an insult here than it is in most "skeptic" communities.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 07 January 2013 06:56:01PM 0 points [-]

Can you link to an example of someone using it as a compliment?

Yes:

He is an erudite, controversial and most of all contrarian social critic and writer.

Yes (a self-description rather than a compliment to someone else, but clearly intended to be read as a worthy attribute):

As a contrarian rationalist

Here is someone excusing themselves for not being contrarian:

Not everyone can be a contrarian rationalist.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 January 2013 06:39:31PM *  2 points [-]

In the first link you quoted me describing Moldbug, I should clarify it was used as a put down. I've said quite explicitly in other posts that I strongly agree with Hanson on contrarianism.

In the second link the person continues:

The result is that I'm biased towards contrarian theses, which I think is useful for improving group rationality in most cases, but still isn't rational.

The third is a good example but it is in an article talking about how weird LessWrong is for its love of contrarianism.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 09 January 2013 09:47:33PM -1 points [-]

In the first link you quoted me describing Moldbug, I should clarify it was used as a put down.

I'll take your word for your intentions, but the article itself gives me no impression that it was intended anything other than seriously.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 January 2013 10:09:03PM *  2 points [-]

I did mean "and most of all contrarian" quite seriously, I just didn't expect readers to take that as good. It was meant as a warning since I think Moldbug would be a better thinker if he was less contrarian but I'll update on you reading of it when using the term in the future.

This apparent misunderstanding on second thought isn't surprising since this community is self-selected for the kind of people who like enjoy contrarian arguments. Weird out there (not saying incorrect) beliefs such as buying cryonics being a good idea otherwise wouldn't be popular here.

In addition to this if you visit a site where examples of human cognitive failure are investigate every day and individual debasing techniques discussed, but little ephasis is given on how to build communities that have good epistemology or avoid the biases one seems likely to find the story of "lone genius exposes establishment consensus as nonsense" more plausible than otherwise.