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Multiheaded comments on Politics Discussion Thread January 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

6 Post author: OrphanWilde 02 January 2013 03:31AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 09 January 2013 03:18:43AM 1 point [-]

I've sort of gone back on one specific piece of evidence, which was that contrarians on some issues tend to have much stronger arguments, and therefor are probably right.

Yvain explained that quite well by noting that believers of popular belief have no incentive to seriously engage contrarians, lest they "legitimize" them or appear like they were taking them seriously. It is much more individually beneficial to point and laugh.

An extension of that, though is that you can get signalling absurdity arms-races that cause the mainstream position to become as absurd as possible. (see for example, Australia banning small-breast porn and most of the world banning drawn loli porn because "can't let those damn pedos get off").

Yvain ignored the implications for mainstream belief quality (at least as far as I could tell). But it seems pretty damning to me.

That's what the quoted comment was referring to.

I'm unsure where I stand relative to you, Konkvistador, Moldbug, etc in all this. I'm still mostly Universalist in morality (universal brotherhood fuck yeah, let's tear apart and rebuild the universe if it disagrees, etc), but pretty much reject all of its factual claims about literal equality, effectiveness of collective governance, etc. If you like, we could talk in more detail about this. (I would like that; I'm interested in your view, but haven't had a chance to figure it out).

Don't know why you think I'm smarter or more diligent, but you're right that I think politics is a waste of time (except to root out political crud that you didn't know you had, which is what I've been doing recently).

Now join me in my meta-meta-meta-contrarian ivory tower

Lulz. Thank you for inviting me.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 09 January 2013 10:53:12PM 0 points [-]

universal brotherhood fuck yeah, let's tear apart and rebuild the universe if it disagrees

Good luck with that.