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AlexMennen comments on Harsanyi's Social Aggregation Theorem and what it means for CEV - Less Wrong Discussion

21 Post author: AlexMennen 05 January 2013 09:38PM

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Comment author: AlexMennen 06 January 2013 12:15:31AM *  2 points [-]

And also incentivizes people to kill people with values dissimilar to their own!

That's a pretty good nail in the coffin. Maybe all people alive at the time of your comment. Or at any point in some interval containing that time, possibly including up to the time the singularity occurs. Although again, these are crude guesses, not final suggestions. This might be a good question to think more about.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 06 January 2013 12:28:01AM 2 points [-]

That's a pretty good nail in the coffin.

It's not as bad as it sounds. Both arguments are also arguments against democracy, but I don't think they're knockdown arguments against democracy (although the general point that democracy can be gamed by brainwashing enough people is good to keep in mind, and I think is a point that Moldbug, for example, is quite preoccupied with). For example, killing people doesn't appear to be a viable strategy for gaining control of the United States at the moment. Although the killing-people strategy in the FAI case might look more like "the US decides to nuke Russia immediately before the singularity occurs."

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 06 January 2013 04:01:11AM *  3 points [-]

For example, killing people doesn't appear to be a viable strategy for gaining control of the United States at the moment.

Perhaps not, but it might help maintain control of the USG insofar as popularity increases the chances of reelection and killing (certain) people increases popularity.