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Comment author: blacktrance 13 January 2013 03:34:07AM 2 points [-]

If people enter into such contracts, it's because they prefer to be in them. Why do your preferences override theirs?

Comment author: loup-vaillant 13 January 2013 10:20:18AM *  1 point [-]

If people enter into such contracts, it's because they prefer to be in them.

First, I challenge that. They may not be fully aware of what they are getting into. Second, the very possibility of such contracts could bend the society into generalizing them. For instance, if voluntary slavery is permitted, it might become the only way, but for an elite few, to get a job.

Why do your preferences override theirs?

Why not? My preferences do take other's preferences into account, to the point I would mostly let them live their lives in peace. But the buck has to stop somewhere. For instance, when 2 persons' preferences conflict (like, they are at war), my preferences says something about acceptable resolutions of the conflict. Having both parties risk their lives is not acceptable. I would strip them of their weapons if I could.

Comment author: Khoth 13 January 2013 01:09:08PM 1 point [-]

People want to defect in a one-shot prisoner's dilemma, but would be better off if there was a law against it.

Comment author: blacktrance 13 January 2013 08:06:49PM 1 point [-]

I don't see how this is relevant. People would prefer not to be able to defect in a prisoner's dilemma - that's their own preference.

Comment author: Khoth 13 January 2013 08:28:55PM 3 points [-]

If slavery contracts are banned, work-for-money contracts will be offered instead. People who prefer slavery to starvation will prefer that to slavery, and so are better off despite the removal of an option they previously took.

For further detail of how this sort of thing works, see here

Comment author: blacktrance 14 January 2013 09:28:40PM 3 points [-]

But not everyone who would have gotten a slavery contract would get a work-for-money contract. Also, while one side (the slaves/employees) are being made better off, the other side is being made worse off.

Comment author: Decius 13 January 2013 11:56:00PM 0 points [-]

At the cost of all of the people who prefer slavery>starvation>work. What makes people with that preference order inherently irrelevant?

Comment author: Khoth 14 January 2013 12:02:51AM 4 points [-]

Their rarity.

Comment author: Decius 14 January 2013 04:09:48AM 1 point [-]

How large of a minority is irrelevant to oppress? If someone develops a nonsensical (to you) value function, does that make them irrelevant?