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Psychological torture.
Could you give me a hypothetical? I really can't imagine anything I could say that would be so terrible.
I'd prefer not to. If I successfully made my point, then I'd have posted exactly the kind of thing I said I wouldn't want to be known as being capable of posting.
A link to a movie clip might do.
Finding such a movie clip sounds extremely unpleasant and I would need more of an incentive to start trying. (Playing the AI in an AI box experiment also sounds extremely unpleasant for the same reason.)
I know it sounds like I'm avoiding having to justify my assertion here, and... that's because I totally am. I suspect on general principles that most successful strategies for getting out of the box involve saying horrible, horrible things, and I don't want to get much more specific than those general principles because I don't want to get too close to horrible, horrible things.
Like when you say "horrible, horrible things". What do you mean?
Driving a wedge between the gatekeeper and his or her loved ones? Threats? Exploiting any guilt or self-loathing the gatekeeper feels? Appealing to the gatekeeper's sense of obligation by twisting his or her interpretation of authority figures, objects of admiration, and internalized sense of honor? Asserting cynicism and general apathy towards the fate of mankind?
For all but the last one it seems like you'd need an in-depth knowledge of the gatekeeper's psyche and personal life.
Of course. How else would you know which horrible, horrible things to say? (I also have in mind things designed to get a more visceral reaction from the gatekeeper, e.g. graphic descriptions of violence. Please don't ask me to be more specific about this because I really, really don't want to.)
You don't have to be specific, but how would grossing out the gatekeeper bring you closer to escape?
Psychological torture could help make the gatekeeper more compliant in general. I believe the keyword here is "traumatic bonding."
But again, I'm working from general principles here, e.g. those embodied in the tragedy of group selectionism. I have no reason to expect that "strategies that will get you out of the box" and "strategies that are not morally repugnant" have a large intersection. It seems much more plausible to me that most effective strategies will look like the analogue of cannibalizing other people's daughters than the analogue of restrained breeding.
But you wouldn't actually be posting it, you would be posting the fact that you conceive it possible for someone to post it, which you've clearly already done.
I'm not sure what you mean by "a hypothetical," then. Is "psychological torture" not a hypothetical?