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47 Post author: Tuxedage 21 January 2013 02:59AM

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 22 January 2013 10:28:42AM *  4 points [-]

I really wanted to fake the experiment in order to convince people about the dangers of failing gatekeepers, wouldn't it be better for me to say I had won? After all, I lost this experiment.

If you really had faked this experiment, you might have settled on a lie which is not maximally beneficial to you, and then you might use exactly this argument to convince people that you're not lying. I don't know if this tactic has a name, but it should. I've used it when playing Mafia, for example; as Mafia, I once attempted to lie about being the Detective (who I believe was dead at the time), and to do so convincingly I sold out one of the other members of the Mafia.

Comment author: [deleted] 22 January 2013 12:13:02PM *  0 points [-]

If you really had faked this experiment, you might have settled on a lie which is not maximally beneficial to you, and then you might use exactly this argument to convince people that you're not lying.

In this venue, you shouldn't say things like this without giving your estimate for P(fail|fake) / P(fail).

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 22 January 2013 12:36:01PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure I know what you mean by "fail." Can you clarify what probabilities you want me to estimate?

Comment author: ESRogs 22 January 2013 08:10:47PM 1 point [-]

P(claims to have lost | faked experiment) / P(claims to have lost)

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 22 January 2013 11:12:19PM 0 points [-]

On the order of 1. I don't think it's strong evidence either way.