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MixedNuts comments on LW anchoring experiment: maybe - Less Wrong Discussion

14 Post author: gwern 23 January 2013 10:41PM

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 24 January 2013 01:09:54AM *  4 points [-]

I'm not sure to what extent these comments can be modeled as expressing a "positive" or a "negative" reaction, the nonsensical one-line explanations made them mostly "insane" reactions (in my perception), which might overshadow the intended interpretation. It might have been a cleaner test if there were no explanations, or if you made an effort to carefully rationalize the random judgments (although that would be a more significant interference).

Comment author: gwern 24 January 2013 01:42:55AM *  5 points [-]

It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" sort of dilemma.

I know from watching them plummet into oblivion that comments which are just "Upvoted" or "Downvoted" are not a good idea for any anchoring question - they'll quickly be hidden, so any effect size will be a lot smaller than usual, and it's possible that hidden comments themselves anchor (my guess: negatively, by making people think "why is this attracting stupid comments?').

While if you go with more carefully rationalized comments, that's sort of like http://xkcd.com/810/ and starts to draw on the experimenter's own strengths & weaknesses (I'm sure I could make both quality criticisms and praises of psychology-related articles, but not so much technical decision theory articles).

I hoped my strategy would be a golden mean of not too trivial to be downvoted into oblivion, but not so high-quality and individualized that comparability was lost. I think I came close, since the positive comments saw only a small negative net downvote, indicating LWers may not have regarded it as good enough to upvote but also not so obviously bad as to merit a downvote.

(Of course, I didn't expect the positive and negative comments to be treated differently - they're pretty much the same thing, with a negation. I'm not sure how I would have designed it differently if I had known about the double-standard in advance.)

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 24 January 2013 03:23:50AM *  12 points [-]

Of course, I didn't expect the positive and negative comments to be treated differently

(Positive and somewhat stupid comments tend to be upvoted back to 0 even after they get downvoted at some point, so it's not just absence of response. I consider it a dangerous vulnerability of LW to poorly thinking but socially conforming participants, whose active participation should be discouraged, but who are instead mildly rewarded.)

Comment author: wedrifid 24 January 2013 03:49:24AM *  6 points [-]

I consider it a dangerous vulnerability of LW to poorly thinking but socially conforming participants, whose active participation should be discouraged, but who are instead mildly rewarded.

It's a huge problem that I have observed eroding quality of thought and discussion over time. I'm relieved to see others acknowledge it.

Comment author: MixedNuts 25 January 2013 05:25:38PM 2 points [-]

A respected member saying "I know, right?" as you just did is valuable evidence, whereas the same from a no-name poster is noise. The naive reaction risks forming cliques with mutual back-scratching from big names.

Full disclosure: That kind of fluff is how I got most of my karma.