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29 Post author: Stuart_Armstrong 01 February 2013 08:29PM

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Comment author: passive_fist 01 February 2013 10:14:58PM 6 points [-]

I used not to take Searle's arguments seriously until I actually understood what they were about.

Before anything, I should say that I disagree with Searle's arguments. However, it is important to understand them if we are to have a rational discussion.

Most importantly, Searle does not claim that machines can never understand, or that there is something inherently special about the human brain that cannot be replicated in a computer. He acknowledges that the human brain is governed by physics and is probably subject to the church-turing thesis.

Searle's main argument is this: sophistication of computation does not by itself lead to understanding. That is, just because a computer is doing something that a human could not do without understanding does not mean the computer must be understanding it as well. It is very hard to argue against this, which is why the Chinese room argument has stuck around for so long.

Searle is of the opinion that if we can find the 'mechanism' of understanding in the brain and replicate it in the computer, the computer can understand as well.

To get down to the nuts and bolts of the argument, he maintains that a precise molecular-level simulation of a human brain would be able to understand, but a computer that just happened to act intelligent might not be able to.

In my opinion, this argument just hides yet another form of vitalism. That there is something above and beyond the mechanical. However, everywhere in the brain we've looked, we've found just neurons doing simple computations on their inputs. I believe that that is all there is to it - that something with the capabilities of the human brain also has the ability to understand.

However, this is just a belief at this point. There is no way to prove it. There probably will be no way until we can figure out what consciousness is.

So there you have it. The chinese room argument is really just another form of the Hard Problem of consciousness. Nothing new to see here.

Comment author: Giles 02 February 2013 05:18:55PM 0 points [-]

just because a computer is doing something that a human could not do without understanding does not mean the computer must be understanding it as well

I think linking this concept in my mind to the concept of the Chinese Room might be helpful. Thanks!