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beoShaffer comments on Thoughts on the January CFAR workshop - Less Wrong Discussion

37 Post author: Qiaochu_Yuan 31 January 2013 10:16AM

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Comment author: Kevin 31 January 2013 02:07:04PM 5 points [-]

Offering everyone modafinil or something at the beginning of future workshops might help with this.

It would help, but would inevitably offend people and not at all worth the consequences.

Comment author: beoShaffer 31 January 2013 09:05:36PM 3 points [-]

I found that pre-comiting to go to bed at certain time (I offered to remind others on my way out), and setting a timer on my phone solved the sleep problem.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 31 January 2013 11:08:08PM 9 points [-]

So, I wouldn't call this a solution to the sleep problem. The sleep problem as I conceive it is the following: staying up during a CFAR workshop has unusually high value because of the people you can talk to, but on the other hand sleep is important for learning things. It's not obvious to me how to optimally handle this tradeoff and I'd like a way of handling it that involves decreasing the need for sleep rather than increasing the quantity of sleep if this is feasible.

Comment author: palladias 01 February 2013 07:21:24AM 5 points [-]

My solution was running on adrenaline at the workshop (bed at 2-3am, up at 7:15) and then getting sick when I got home. Same way I did hell week for every piece of theatre I was in.

So, uh, better suggestions welcome.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 February 2013 01:10:50PM 0 points [-]

I do pretty much that every single week.

Comment author: Yossarian 02 February 2013 07:20:19PM 1 point [-]

Yes, it was an opportunity cost problem - at what point did the cost of being cogent in the morning outweigh the cost of missing great late night conversations.

I can't think of any optimal solution that doesn't involve loads of caffeine or bilocation, time turner induced or otherwise.

Comment author: JGWeissman 01 February 2013 04:32:26AM 1 point [-]

Shortly after the July workshop last year, I adopted the polyphasic every man 3 schedule (3 hour core sleep with 3 20 minute naps). It seems to be working for me. Though others who tried it have given it up. I suspect the every man 1 schedule(~6 hour core with 1 20-30 minute nap) might be more generally achievable.

During the workshop itself, I just got less sleep (like 4 to 6 hours per night), and this was OK because, as near as I can tell, I was only deprived of slow wave sleep, which takes a week to cause problems. Though I think the only person to get less sleep than me was Matt, who was already polyphasic.

Comment author: gwern 09 July 2013 03:02:18PM 0 points [-]

Shortly after the July workshop last year, I adopted the polyphasic every man 3 schedule (3 hour core sleep with 3 20 minute naps). It seems to be working for me.

What about my previous suggestions http://lesswrong.com/lw/e6h/group_rationality_diary_82012/78ua to measure something, anything, like spaced repetition or dual n-back?