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MileyCyrus comments on Politics Discussion Thread February 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: MileyCyrus 07 February 2013 12:52:08AM 4 points [-]

What's the probability of a major war between Japan and China in the next decade?

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 08 February 2013 06:04:33AM 4 points [-]

Wait a little while and then check here.

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 09 February 2013 12:34:29AM *  1 point [-]

I was hoping someone would do that. I wrote down a low prediction (1%) after looking up some news stories because I expect the media to err on the side of exaggerating such situations in general and my priors are low.

Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 07 February 2013 03:28:15AM 4 points [-]

Good question. I would say the probability is low, but the event has high expected impact (i.e. high expected number of deaths and economic losses).

I am just reciting Taleb's philosophy of history here, but it seems likely that history is dominated by events with this character (= low probability but high expected impact).

A difficult but important problem would be to rank events by expected impact.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 07 February 2013 04:39:49AM 3 points [-]

A difficult but important problem would be to rank events by expected impact.

I think you also want to incorporate some measure of their probability in there as well.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 07 February 2013 05:30:08AM 6 points [-]

That's what "expected" means.

Comment author: Jack 07 February 2013 01:08:56AM 6 points [-]

I would say sub- 5% given a low prior for rich, well-governed nations fighting all out wars, Japan being relatively demilitarized still (and war being technically illegal), and the US having a defense commitment there.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 February 2013 06:06:29PM 5 points [-]

Japan being relatively demilitarized still

On paper, sure. In practice the JSDF is one of the world's top ten military forces by overall measures.

Comment author: Jack 07 February 2013 06:11:40PM 3 points [-]

Cite?

Comment author: [deleted] 08 February 2013 01:36:07AM *  4 points [-]

Japan ranks #6 in the world for total military expenditures, according to SIPRI 2012.

The JMSDF ranks #4 for tonnage of the world's navies (counting only active, commissioned combat-oriented vessels).

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 07 February 2013 04:43:06AM *  4 points [-]

On the other hand China is facing social unrest and as well as problems due to its gender imbalance, so a war that gives people an enemy besides the government to focus their anger as well as killing of excess males might make sense from its point of view.

Comment author: ThrustVectoring 07 February 2013 04:12:58PM 2 points [-]

Sub-5% is very conservative. It's likely sub-2%. Japan is simply too anti-military, and China owns too many US dollars.

Comment author: ikrase 07 February 2013 03:51:45AM 1 point [-]

Next decade? Extremely low.

Comment author: CellBioGuy 07 February 2013 04:51:00AM 1 point [-]

What about next 3 decades?

Comment author: ikrase 07 February 2013 04:07:09PM 2 points [-]

I am going to guess still pretty low although highly militarized intrigue, cyberwar, etc might happen. Or a false start (in either direction).

I also really wonder just how strong the Peace of Europe is.