You're looking at Less Wrong's discussion board. This includes all posts, including those that haven't been promoted to the front page yet. For more information, see About Less Wrong.

army1987 comments on Open thread, February 15-28, 2013 - Less Wrong Discussion

5 Post author: David_Gerard 15 February 2013 11:17PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (345)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 February 2013 01:42:42PM *  0 points [-]

“The vast majority” != “All”. What's wrong with “you most likely have nothing to worry about, but I suggest doing this exam the off-chance that you do”? You've got to multiply the probability by the disutility, and the result can be large enough to worry about even if the probability is small. (Yes, down that way Pascal's mugging lies, but still.)

EDIT: Okay, given the replies to this comment I'm going to Aumann my estimate of the cost of tests for rare diseases upwards by a couple of orders of magnitude. Retracted.

Comment author: DanielLC 16 February 2013 08:13:14PM 6 points [-]

I'm pretty sure that, in this case, the probability is smaller than the disutility is large. Getting tested for cancer doesn't come cheap.

Comment author: ChristianKl 17 February 2013 06:13:19PM *  3 points [-]

Doctors get taught to practice evidence-based medicine. There's a lack of clinical trials that show that you can increase life span by routinically giving people who suffer from headaches brain scans.

If I understand the argument right, then doctors are basically irrational because the favor empirical results from trials over trying to think through the problem on a intellectual level?

Comment author: Kawoomba 17 February 2013 06:44:43PM 2 points [-]

What's wrong with “you most likely have nothing to worry about, but I suggest doing this exam the off-chance that you do”?

MONNAY.

You've got to multiply the probability by the disutility, and the result can be large enough to worry about even if the probability is small.

The question is, whose utility?

Comment author: beoShaffer 17 February 2013 01:03:34AM 2 points [-]

There's also the problem of false positives. Treatments for rare diseases are often expensive and/or carry serious side effects.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 February 2013 01:09:30AM 1 point [-]

I was thinking of diagnostics, not treatment, though from DanielLC's reply I guess I had underestimated the cost of that, too.

Comment author: ChristianKl 17 February 2013 06:13:46PM 2 points [-]

If you start diagnosing and find false positives than you are usually going to treat them.