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Comment author: shminux 25 February 2013 05:21:38PM *  0 points [-]

Just to be charitable to Eliezer, let me remind you of this quote. For example, can you conceive of a reason (not necessarily the officially stated one) that the actual basilisk discussion ought to be suppressed, even at the cost of the damage done to LW credibility (such as it is) by an offsite discussion of such suppression?

Stross claims that it indicates that we're "Calvinist"

I thought this is more akin to Scientology, where any mention of Xenu to the uninitiated ought to be suppressed.

It sucks being Cassandra.

Sure does. Then again, it probably sucks more being Laocoön.

Comment author: Plasmon 25 February 2013 06:12:12PM 10 points [-]

can you conceive of a reason (not necessarily the officially stated one) that the actual basilisk discussion ought to be suppressed, even at the cost of the damage done to LW credibility (such as it is) by an offsite discussion of such suppression?

The basilisk is harmless. Eliezer knows this. The streisand effect was the intended consequence of the censor. The hope is that people who become aware of the basilisk will increase their priors for the existence of real information hazards, and will in the future be less likely to read anything marked as such. It's all a clever memetic inoculation program!

disclaimer : I don't actually believe this.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 27 February 2013 04:29:52AM 9 points [-]

Another possibility: Eliezer doesn't object to the meme that anyone who doesn't donate to SIAI/MIRI will spend eternity in hell being spread in a deniable way.

Comment author: shminux 27 February 2013 04:36:07AM *  4 points [-]

Why stop there? In fact, Roko was one of Eliezer's many socks puppets. It's your basic Ender's Game stuff.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 March 2013 12:40:08PM *  3 points [-]

We are actually all Eliezer's sock puppets. Most of us unfortunately are straw men.

Comment author: gwern 05 March 2013 04:20:54PM *  5 points [-]

We are the hollow men / we are the stuffed men / Leaning together / Headpiece filled with straw. Alas! / Our dried comments when / we discuss together / Are quiet and meaningless / As median-cited papers / or reports of supplements / on the Internet.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 27 February 2013 09:15:05AM 2 points [-]

Another possibility: Eliezer does not want the meme to be associated with LW. Because, even if it was written by someone else, most people are predictably likely to read it and remember: "This is an idea I read on LW, so this must be what they believe."

Comment author: wedrifid 27 February 2013 05:30:13AM *  4 points [-]

The hope is that people who become aware of the basilisk will increase their priors for the existence of real information hazards, and will in the future be less likely to read anything marked as such. It's all a clever memetic inoculation program!

It's certainly an inoculation for information hazards. Or at least against believing information hazard warnings.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 February 2013 06:51:09AM *  6 points [-]

Alternatively, the people dismissing the idea out of hand are not taking it seriously and thus not triggering the information hazard.

Also the censorship of the basilisk was by no means the most troubling part of the Roko incident, and as long as people focus on that they're not focusing on the more disturbing issues.

Edit: The most troubling part were some comments, also deleted, indicating just how fanatically loyal some of Eliezer's followers are.

Comment author: Locaha 25 February 2013 06:21:05PM 0 points [-]

disclaimer : I don't actually believe this.

Really? Or do you just want us to believe that you don't believe this???