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Vladimir_Nesov comments on Falsifiable and non-Falsifiable Ideas - Less Wrong Discussion

-1 Post author: shaih 19 February 2013 02:24AM

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Comment author: DaFranker 19 February 2013 04:55:20PM *  0 points [-]

The important thing isn't to shun non-falsifiable beliefs. The important thing is to know which of your beliefs are falsifiable and which aren't.

I thought a belief that isn't even in-principle falsifiable was essentially a floating belief not entangled to reality about something epiphenomenal that you couldn't statistically ever have correctly guessed? Like, say, zombies or dragons in garages?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 19 February 2013 05:55:51PM *  3 points [-]

The issue is with the mode of "shunning": a meaningless belief shouldn't be seen as false, it should be seen as meaningless. The opposite of a meaningless belief is not true.

(Also, "unfalsifiable", narrowly construed, is not the same thing as meaningless. There might be theoretical conclusions that are morally relevant, but can't be tested other than by examining the theoretical argument.)

Comment author: DaFranker 19 February 2013 06:05:05PM 0 points [-]

Ah, thanks, all good points. Guess I was lumping together the whole unfalsifiability + meaninglessness cluster/region.

Likewise, when I thought "the opposite of a meaningless belief", it turns out I was really thinking "the opposite of the implied assumption that this belief is meaningful", which is obviously true if the belief is known to be meaningless... (because IME that's what arguments usually end up being about)