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Not sure. Overcoming bias is both Hanson's own blog (where he pushes ideas such as ems (those are uploaded people, right?) and cynicism) and a general project about rationality / what it says on the tin.
I've always liked the Less Wrong aristocracy (Compliment!) better as they often seem to make fewer "theory class" mistakes.
To my knowledge, ems are uploaded people self-optimizing for pure computational efficiency in a sort of malthusian race to the bottom.
[edit] Correction, em is just a shorthand for whole-brain emulation. The malthusian race was a proposed scenario, but not a necessary one.
Seems like it would be easier to make expert systems (Possibly out of uploaded infants or animals?) than use humans?
Well if expert systems make better ems [edit] uploads they'll outcompete the human ems and dominate the market, so humans will self-modify to become more like expert systems or stop getting allocated computing time.
(and that's why you don't run future supertech on capitalism!)
Waitwhat? Also, are we calling everything an em?
What are all these people computing in the first place? Also, it seems like the obvious choice is for a human to own several expert-system or trained animal ems and rent their services or something. ????
Sorry, I said that wrong. Also, the human is strictly overhead. There's no reason to expect we'd necessarily be better than an expert system at owning and managing expert systems.
What they're computing in the first place, I have no idea. I think the assumption is that there'll be a computing-based economy of any kind, not necessarily what the specifics of it are. And data mining is already an enormous industry, for instance.
GAAAAAAHHH!
I think somebody forgot to have something to protect! Is this Hanson's actual idea or your idea of the consequences. Frankly I expect an energy-and-matter based economy.
This is a positive prediction, not a normative one.
Had heard 'and that's why you don't run future supertech on captialism' and previously heard about Hanson being strictly libertarian possibly in a bad way, so thought that he was somehow accepting of this stuff.
I am not very confident I'm accurately representing his position. Really, I'm hoping somebody'll correct me if I'm too far offbase. Grain of salt, go read his posts on the topic, etc etc.
See, it's things like this that makes LW seem creepy to me.
Are you saying that you dislike the LW aristocracy, or that you dislike the fact that LW has an aristocracy?