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Comment author: PhilGoetz 08 April 2013 02:09:28AM -1 points [-]

Then you are a bad person, for wanting other people beaten up when it doesn't benefit you.

In our analogy here, it would be reasonable to say that you want other people forced to pay taxes, or imprisoned for crimes. That's the equivalent of having to pay a fee for a website, or being banned for violating policies. It would not be reasonable for you to say that you want the dictator to be able to beat people up for no reason. It is not reasonable for you to say that you want the admin to be pointlessly rude to people.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 08 April 2013 08:39:28AM 2 points [-]

"for reasons that weren't obvious at the time the rules were being written" isn't "for no reason"

Comment author: Larks 08 April 2013 06:00:11PM 1 point [-]

Then you are a bad person, for wanting other people beaten up when it doesn't benefit you. Then you are a bad person, for wanting other people beaten up when it doesn't benefit you.

What? Firstly, I said "for reasons that weren't obvious at the time", not for no reason. Things can benefit me in non-obvious ways.

Even without that, it is sometimes morally laudable to want people beaten up when it doesn't benefit me. For example, suppose I lived in New Zealand, 1940. I'd like members of the Gestapo to be so badly beaten up they couldn't do their jobs. This is at least prima facie a good desire to have, but I (living a very long way away, being Aryan so unlikely to be attacked even if one day National Socialism rules the entire world, etc.) wouldn't benefit from it at all.

It would not be reasonable for you to say that you want the dictator to be able to beat people up for no reason.

If they voluntarily (without duress, etc., etc.) came into the country, understanding that this was the way it worked, and the dictator was generally enlightened, and his actions were more conducive to peace and liberty and prosperity than the relevant alternatives, and so on, I don't think it's obviously unreasonable for me to want him to be able to beat people up for reasons not previously disclosed.