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TimS comments on The real difference between Reductionism and Emergentism - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: TimS 16 April 2013 01:44:11AM 3 points [-]

The problem with the label "emergence" isn't that the phenomena does not occur. The problem is when people use the label "emergence" as a semantic stop sign, ending attempts at further explanation.

Airplanes flying through the air are an emergent property of quantum mechanics. That sentence standing alone tells you nothing useful about airplanes or quantum mechanics.


Also, discussion posts don't use Markdown. (I think they use HTML, but don't quote me).

Comment author: Thomas 16 April 2013 11:03:34AM *  2 points [-]

Airplanes flying through the air are an emergent property of quantum mechanics.

Not entirely. The gravity plays its part here. The gravity is not inside the QM.

Comment author: ThrustVectoring 16 April 2013 06:41:29PM 0 points [-]

The sentence is fixed by replacing "quantum mechanics" with "elementary particles and fundamental fields". There isn't a good explanation yet as to how gravity is related to quantum mechanics, but we're pretty sure that they are related.

Comment author: David_Gerard 16 April 2013 07:14:53AM 2 points [-]

They do indeed use HTML.

Comment author: RogerS 17 April 2013 03:11:44PM 0 points [-]

The problem is when people use the label "emergence" as a semantic stop sign

Agreed, which is why I was trying to replace it by a "proceed with caution" sign with some specific directions.


One lives & learns - thanks.