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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 17 April 2013 01:00:08AM 2 points [-]

Science really doesn't know everything.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 17 April 2013 03:57:33PM 6 points [-]

Scientists rarely perform actual science.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 26 April 2013 03:41:07PM 3 points [-]

What do you have in mind for actual science?

Comment author: OrphanWilde 26 April 2013 06:33:59PM 4 points [-]

Aiming to falsify ideas rather than confirm them would be a nice start; that seems to be the most common rut.

Comment author: shminux 17 April 2013 01:41:36AM *  5 points [-]

How is this a forbidden discussion topic? Most of the public agree with this sentiment, and so do the scientists. Do LWers think otherwise?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 17 April 2013 02:45:37AM 4 points [-]

From the OP:

It's just like when somebody says, "well science doesn't know everything." To this, I think, "duh, and you're probably a creationist or medical quack or something similarly credible."

I thought it was amusing that someone could wreck their credibility so quickly by saying something so obviously true.

There might be some markers which would indicate whether someone is heading off into nonsense with a claim that scientists don't have a complete understanding of the universe. Personifying science might be one of the markers.

Comment author: ciphergoth 17 April 2013 02:58:35PM 3 points [-]

I thought it was amusing that someone could wreck their credibility so quickly by saying something so obviously true.

Right, that's the OP's point.

Comment author: TimS 17 April 2013 03:03:40AM 5 points [-]

I can count on one hand the number of times that I've heard someone worth listening to say "well, science doesn't know everything" in response to anything I've said or heard someone else say.

If the conversation goes:
A: I believe X.
B: X is contradicted by (citation to some study).
A: Well, science doesn't know everything.

then there is essentially no chance A has anything interesting to say about empirical topics - at least those unrelated to that person's job.

Comment author: sunflowers 17 April 2013 08:44:13AM 3 points [-]

I thought it was amusing that someone could wreck their credibility so quickly by saying something so obviously true.

Tone matters here. Whoever says it as if any scientist were under the opposite impression has some serious problems.

Sometimes, saying something true is excellent evidence for believing falsehoods. Sometimes, giving knowledge is excellent evidence of ignorance. See Rand Paul's recent performance at Howard.

Comment author: David_Gerard 17 April 2013 07:21:21AM *  6 points [-]

Yes, but they agree in different ways. As Dara O Briain says, "Science knows it doesn't know everything; otherwise, it'd stop." But the phrase "science doesn't know everything" in common usage has more to do with filling the gap with whatever fairy tale the speaker is fond of.