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Comment author: MugaSofer 20 April 2013 07:49:03AM -1 points [-]

Kawoomba, I'm a Christian, I don't see accusing Christians of Christianity as an attack. (Should I?)

I was referring to this:

All the magic events get explained away as symbolical, typical embellishments for their time, allegorical or something other.

Except the bodily resurrection.

That said, I think I pattern-matched your comment to "Kawoomba attacking theists again", probably because I was primed by "PawnOfFaith" and "Silent M". So I'm sorry for that. Pretty damn hypocritical on my part, too.

Unless of course you meant it as an attack, I guess.

Comment author: Kawoomba 20 April 2013 09:00:13AM 1 point [-]

Aww, no bet then? Apology accepted.

I myself hold contradictory, irrational beliefs. I like many of them, even though part of me knows of the contradictions. I also know that if I streamlined my values to be coherent, I wouldn't be myself, and it's not a realistic endeavor anyways, psychologically. I very much doubt that my beliefs are especially contradictory, if a supposed rationalist were telling me he/she held very few contradictory beliefs/aliefs that would be mostly amusing.

My problem is taking a clearly irrational belief (and I suspect many smart theists deep down know this) and abusing all of one's wits to put lipstick on that pig. It's such a waste, and such an unnecessary self-delusion ("trying to make it seem rational", not even "believing in it"). That's what gets me going, the waste of potential.

I'm not concerned with the Christian version of the Categorical Imperative. Not with Christian ethics, there certainly are worse kinds. Not with having a group identity, so do fans of Vernor Vinge novels (just finished A Fire Upon The Deep).

Not even with the First Cause musings, although those often get more into the motivated cognition area. (I also think Krauss is trivially wrong when overstating his "nothing" in "a universe from nothing".)

My problem is with the absurd epistemic claims such as "a bodily resurrection took place", "Jesus was tortured to death so I can be saved from my original sin". In a way, it's as bad as Creationism. There isn't all that much difference between saying "the devil planted the dinosaur skeletons", and saying "eyewitness testimony of a few dozen shepherds and partly biased people thousands of years ago, in a book full of allegories and symbolisms suffices to establish that it in fact Jesus was bodily resurrected".

Sure, Creationists make many more such claims, but really, does it matter how many risen dead you believe in, as long as the number is greater than 0?

Comment author: MugaSofer 23 April 2013 10:37:14AM *  -2 points [-]

Sure, Creationists make many more such claims, but really, does it matter how many risen dead you believe in, as long as the number is greater than 0?

You know, it does. Making less mistakes = rationality.

Not much more for me to reply to here.

Comment author: Kawoomba 23 April 2013 10:41:05AM 0 points [-]

Making less mistakes = rationality

Point. However, I was referring to "using my cognition to defend indefensible claims", as a binary attribute denoting a very, very bad habit.

Comment author: MugaSofer 23 April 2013 10:49:55AM -1 points [-]

Ah, right. Still, as you point out, I seriously doubt anyone on this site is that well integrated.